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firstsixfeet
Posted 8/12/2010 7:36 PM (#454887 - in reply to #454469)
Subject: RE: measurement accuracy?




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Ok, I got two things out of this thread.

It is clear that the back side of dougj's head is STILL his best side, though if he doesn't take the clippers to that head of his, even that slightly anvil shape, will NOT be enough to keep his hat on when he sticks the boot to the Triton!

The other thing(?)..............no, no, I guess there was only one thing...

dogboy
Posted 8/13/2010 5:03 AM (#454938 - in reply to #454469)
Subject: RE: measurement accuracy?





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heres my assumptions"
guys that dont like to measure or photo have obviously had some bad stuff happen
while doing so. dropping one, killing one, whatever, but i dont think theres ever been a muskie that went from the net, saw the bumpboard and croaked because of it. im pretty sure it has something to do with corkscrewing, line wrapped around it, hooks tearing flesh, eyeballs getting poked out, Boga grips locked down tight as a fish goes absolutely nutzo in a vertical position (see pic below) certain theres many a dude that has taken pics, checked the pics with the gill grip firm on, half the fish scraping the outdoor menards carpet, crappie floppin around. ive seen plenty of fish passing occur as well, guys that take a pic, hand the fish off to a buddy, they get into their best timberlake poses, check the pics again. toss the fish over. This is on a 50" limit water too. my biggest concern, get rid of the vertical holds!
I hear a million guys preach proper C&R, tools, techniques, minimal handling time,
so why am i still seeing instances like this every year?
is it the newbies? the old timers? is it guys who lose all composure when they bag a fish, they shake so bad, and instantly forget their boat is still in gear doing a half circle?

You guys want to help fish survive, teach everyone you possibly can safe, fast, sensible C&R. Dont tell anyone that by them taking a quick pic of the quarry theyve been after, is prolly gonna die if they do. Dont measure that fish since its just going to die if you do. That is the message im picking up that youre throwing down. stupid. between all the friends n familly ive been with, ive seen one actually die on the spot. it was hooked in the gills. weve been doing the CPR thing since i started 17yrs ago and a very high percentage of fish soak us on their departure.
yes ive layed them in the boat, yes ive measured them in the net, yes ive not measured them if they were small, i do what i feel is best at the time. given the circumstances at hand. #*^@ right im taking a pic if i spent $600 in gas food, beer, and redbull to catch that fish this month.
Like said before, those are the memories one can reflect on. alzheimers doesnt discriminate, traditions are passed down to the younger generation. and I can tell you with certain, theres not many death pics getting passed around these days, no gunny sack stories, .22's being carried in the boat, or mutliple muskies lined up on a wood pole.
We have definitely come a long way with these fish. Let it be. Dont trash our addiction with musky porn. what else are we gonna argue about when someone posts a pic of a 53, that really looks like a 58.
I love pictures, theres pretty fish, and dude, look at how ugly this mofo i caught the other day is! seeing is believing.
I suppose when someone catches the next world record, they should do a water release on her?

this is why i take pics.


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lambeau
Posted 8/13/2010 8:12 AM (#454957 - in reply to #454469)
Subject: RE: measurement accuracy?


nothing wrong with taking a picture, and you're right that educating about how to handle fish safely is an ongoing need. i sure don't judge anyone else's decision to take a picture of every fish they want - i love fish pictures. and measuring fish doesn't return us to the dark ages! i'm just starting to think that it might be worth bump-boarding more fish in the water as well as asking myself, "do i really need an out-of-water picture of this particular fish?"


Edited by lambeau 8/13/2010 8:15 AM
BNelson
Posted 8/13/2010 8:21 AM (#454959 - in reply to #454957)
Subject: Re: measurement accuracy?





Location: Contrarian Island
what is kind of backwards if you stop to think about it is, the guys that are advocating water release or no pics are still taking pics of the biggest ones right? the 50 plusers..well aren't those the ones that possibly could have more harm done to them by taking them out of the water and possibly vertical on the way to the bumpboard or pics? as someone else pointed out the smaller fish probably are much less effected from handling and holds than the big ones... if anything is backwards it's that...biggest point to this whole thread is that the newer guys in the sport should take away a few things...get a big net, get the proper release tools and a bumpboard, leave fish in the water for unhooking and have out of the water at most a minute..not 3 ....

Edited by BNelson 8/13/2010 8:25 AM
lambeau
Posted 8/13/2010 8:41 AM (#454965 - in reply to #454469)
Subject: RE: measurement accuracy?


do you find the big fish are actually easier to handle?
it's counterintuitive, but i find that i'm more likely to have trouble grabbing or dropping a 30-35" fish; they seem to jump around more, i'm more anxious about getting hit by the gill rakers because of the small space for my hand, and it's much easier to get a good jaw grip on the big fish.

dogboy
Posted 8/13/2010 9:31 AM (#454972 - in reply to #454469)
Subject: RE: measurement accuracy?





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i would agree bigger fish are much easier to handle. regardless of the extra weight n length you are picking up, they are a lot more docile.
but, the heavier they are, the harder they fall. picking them up and not supporting the fish entirely, you can rip muscle tissue that we dont see. yes, their organs and the such from vertical hold.
i witnessed a heavy 37" pike get picked up by the back of the head, not the old finger in the eyes hold, but right behind the gills, that fish's gill plates ripped about a half inch from one lil wiggle. it was dinner anyway, but i still see other guys hold muskies like that, Or like Jomusky said, they dont gill grab them at all.
they hold the fish with both arms just supporting it, but as soon as it flops, that baby it gone!
Propster
Posted 8/13/2010 8:53 PM (#455106 - in reply to #454469)
Subject: Re: measurement accuracy?




Posts: 1901


Location: MN
Good analogy Brad. How many times I have heard "I didn't want to risk a shot at that distance, but if it had been a big buck I sure would have!" Counter intuitive, but we just can't get over ourselves.
Simple fisherman
Posted 8/13/2010 9:28 PM (#455109 - in reply to #454478)
Subject: Re: measurement accuracy?




Posts: 69


Location: Pittsburgh
sworrall - 8/11/2010 6:27 AM

As with many subjects here, it isn't necessarily what is said, it's how it's said.


I was wondering if someone could teach me how to judge the weight of large fish from poor photos you see my baby brother keeps showing me these photos of large fish saying they weight alot. Know I could call my brother a liar right out of the gate because he doesnt live close but I dont because he is bigger and younger and he visits. I know he lies because sometimes fish that he says weigh less sometime look bigger and vice a versa. Now I have asked him to post some of his many pictures.And his reply is why dont you wear your obama shirt to a tea party. so if any one could help me matter of factly with this dilemna I would greatly appreciate it.
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