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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | i make my leaders from .035 dia mason wire. it never kinks and if it does bend it bends right back.
multi-strand wire, i have used in the past but don't think i ever will again. when it kinks, the kink is there to stay.
i learned to make these leaders i use from a fella on these boards and one point he made that is a fact is this: crimps are prone to fail. in fact they are destined to. 4 or 5 twists on a .035 wire are there to stay.
what's everyone's opinion on the subject?
Edited by adudeuknow 4/6/2010 4:52 PM
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| Solid wire for me. 4 or so haywire twists finished by 3 barrel wraps. If my leaders bends I toss it, and tie on a new one. Am out maybe $0.15. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | If I use multi-strand wire I use the ones by Leaders & Lures. The may not be perfectly straight after you catch a fish (and you can catch many on just one) , but they will never kink to a point where they can not be used. They are also strong and rated for the hardware that's on them. The loops will never pull apart and it the same wire and technology use in airplane rudders.
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Location: oswego, il | I use straight wire for gliders, baits that hang up on the leader alot and areas where i know I snag up alot. Not sure of the diameter but 105lb, 124lb for small gliders, 174lb for normal stuff and 240-360 for snag areas where I know my leader is going to get into it with a tree. For all other applications, I use fluoro. |
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| I use 7 strand wire for most of my leaders. I use surfstrand wire, non coated. I also use two crimps for each connection. I have never had any failures ever. If crimps are attached properly and doubled up, I believe there should be no problems. I think people run into problems by using a single crimp and not crimping properly. You also need to check for fraying, over time the wire will begin to fray in some areas- usually around the ends.
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Location: Northern Wisconsin | I stopped using 7-strand completely when I made a cast and away when my lure and most of the leader. It was probably my fault for not checking or replacing the leader but it must have had a kink up by the crimp and broke. At least it wasn't on a fish. Now I use only single strand wire but will probably try some flouro this season. |
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| Multi-strand for most applications. I also use Leaders and Lures leaders. The 49 strand, 120 lb. is one of the most versatile I've seen. Used to use alot of single wire, 174 lb test w/ haywire twist. Then had a pull test done and was amazed that the twist would unravel I believe @ around 70 lbs. For you guys that like stiff wire for walk the dog - try the 100 lb, 21 strand - makes the lure glide much better and does not wrap-up like you would think. Also has fluoro available. As for using crimps, if done correctly (with the proper tolerances and materials) are great. Genes are all crimped to military specs and glued w/ a compound used in the aerospace industry. He has yet to have a crimp let go. You owe it to yourself to check these out. Simply the best. Check out "Smokey's Musky Shop" for the video on these. If you still don't believe, call John @ Smokey's and ask him about Crimps - he used to hate them - now its the only leader he will sell. |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | Windel's single-strand wire leader for my jerkbait/glider set-up.
Stealth Tackle fluorocarbon for everything else. |
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | thanks for the responses....appreciate it. if i was a troller i would most likely go with a 150# flouro leader but i am strictly a caster and havent really found a absolute need for multistrand....those leaders and lures look good but i could just as easily make a ton for what they charge me for a few. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | adudeuknow - 4/8/2010 6:51 PM
.those leaders and lures look good but i could just as easily make a ton for what they charge me for a few.
Yours will NOT last as long and may even fail if you don't crimp properly. Both Frank Walsh and Doug Johnson have caught up to 50 muskies on just one Leader&Lures leader, not to mention the numerous pike. So they will more than pay for themselves if you have to go threw several homemade ones. Plus you have the security of knowing that the crimps won't fail.
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | not to be a wise guy but is there some secret method to crimping properly that i am not allowed access to? i would have to imagine i could learn to crimp properly with the right help. he had to have learned from someone, somewhere. |
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| Alot has to do with the materials being used and just as important is the tolerances that he can consistantly produce (no undercrimping, no overcrimping). Secrets - you can so to a degree. That is why his stuff is the best. It is what he has figured out. The weakest component becomes your snap since you will be opening and closing when changing baits. All you do is change the snap - don't need to throw the whole leader out. The last thing is price - compared to the competion - very much inline. Compared to making them on your own figuring in the time and how long his last - pretty much an easy decision. Don't believe us, try them for yourself. You will not be let down. |
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | don't worry fellas. the more and more i am reading and learning about them the more and more i want to buy some....where can i buy them? lol the one site i found was under construction. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Smokey's Muskie Shop carries them. Here a link and a 5 1/2 min video of Gene explaining his leaders at the bottom of the main page.
http://www.smokeysmuskieshop.com/index.htm
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | that place is a no go for now...under construction as that is the one place i checked already |
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| I know you can still call Smokeys to order. You can also call you local Gander Mountain store. I believe Tom Dietz was managing a Gander out in Pennsylvania and I know he was putting them in his store. I will find out which Ganders he is in and let you know. You can also call Dorn's True Value in Madison, Wi to order. Dorn's phone # is 608-274-2511. |
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Location: Kanata, Ontario | Like, reels, rods and lure, I believe you have to use the right leader for the right application. A single strand wire leader is best for jerk baits and side to side top water baits. The leader will push your line out of the way of the lure on the glide and reduce fouling. The snapping action on a jerk bait will also break the individual strands on a multistrand leader and weaken the loop, the single strand leader will last longer in this application. The more flexible multistrand leader is better for throwing bucktails or spinner baits. Instead of multistrand stainless, I prefer multistrand titanium. It doesn't kink. Crimps won't fail is done properly and yes they should be double crimped.
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I corrected the link to Smokey's Muskie Shop in my post. The video in on the main page, I error in telling you it was on the value vault page. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | One thing I do when making my 7 strand leaders, is wrap the wire 3-4 times and then crimp the tag end. Haven't had one fail yet, although I primarily use floro these days. Wrapping the wire though gives me a little more confidence that even if the crimp fails, the wraps will hold, at least long enough to get the fish in.
I tie all of my sucker rig leads between the hoods and the split ring this way, and haven't had one fail on me to date.
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