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Location: Racine, Wi | Hey anyone out there that ties flies. So my fly bug has started up again, and I'm planning on tying some jointed flies. I've done some research on the web and have some ideas, but I want to make sure that if I have a hook in the second section, that it's not going to come off of the fly if a fish is hooked on that end.
Any ideas? I was planning on using 90# 7 strand and tying it to the first section. Just not sure how to get a really solid connection. I was thinking of wrapping the leader around the hook then creating a bend to attach the second section, then wrapping the other end of the leader (joint) around the leading hook. Then tying thread over it to secure. That just doesn't sound like it will be all that secure, so looking for suggestions.
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | You might consider looking up Afton Angler. He ties jointed/articulated flies for toothy critters. Bill Sherer out of Boulder Jct. is another that ties similar stuff, but he uses 230lb. single strand stainless steel wire.
http://www.wetieit.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=121
http://www.wetieit.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=122
Edited by FlyFish4Esox 2/23/2010 12:24 PM
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Joel - Make a loop w/ the seven strand through both hook eyes then crimp it. Tie the crimp and doubled 7 strand to the top of the front hook and you'll have a strong joint. I don't think you need to go that heavy though I would probably go w/ 30# 7strand. You could also go w/ a really simple solution which would be to tie Tyger leader directly to both hook eyes. This is basically how the 7 strand will look when done except this is just tied in mono. I'm sure you can imagine the 7 strand running up the top of the hook and through the eye. 
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Location: Racine, Wi | Thanks guys!
Will, I was wondering how I could use a crimp to do it. I like the tyger leader idea, but I want to make sure I can cover it all up so it looks good. Also, I wonder if the tyger leader will end up making the back section too limp so it ends up wrapping up on the fly or leader?
I'm bound and determined to get some fish on flies again. It's been about 5 years since I've thrown a lot of flies for them. Just something different for the rivers up north.  |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | I like the tyger leader idea, but I want to make sure I can cover it all up so it looks good. Also, I wonder if the tyger leader will end up making the back section too limp so it ends up wrapping up on the fly or leader? What I've done w/ most articulated flies is to cut off the rear hook once that segment is tied, this eliminates any fouling and you end up w/ a fly that swims really well. A second hook is overkill IMO on flies. Another method I've used on some articulated flies for bass was to snell mono to each hook which I'm sure could be done w/ tyger leader. This keeps it out of the eye on the front hook and it lays nicely on the shank so you can cover it w/ thread. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | I've read that many of the guys are cutting the rear hook for other species. I would think just by the nature of the streamer that the fish would be hooked on the front hook the majority of the time anyway, so that might be the way to go. I also read that it does enhance the action. I'll see what I can come up and post the finished results. If I'm really feeling motivated, maybe I'll take some pictures throughout the process.
I've spent a TON of time looking for some different patterns to tie. Saw some pretty sweet patterns so we'll see what I can do. Still pretty new at making some really good flies, but it's a fun learning curve. We'll see what they do in the water. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | We'll, I whipped up one this evening in a fire tigerish pattern. Used 40# floro for the joint for starters (might be overkill, but I wanted to see what kind of action I got out of it). I cut the back hook as well and stacked and packed the front hook based on a streamer I saw on line. It's a start. I'll post a pic tonight if I get a chance. It turned out pretty good, now we'll have to see if it works like it should. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Here's my first attempt. For some reason, I couldn't get a really good picture, but you get the idea. After 5 or 6 more, I should have a sweet looking creation.
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Looks great Joel. |
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Location: SW MI | Looks good. I tied a jointed fly a couple years ago that had a similar concept. The rear hook had rabbit strip/flashabou tail, cactus chenille body, bucktail throat and the front part of rabbit strip as an overlay. I connected the the hooks with 80 braid. The front hook had a small bit of bucktail for a tail and a foam "slider" type head colored to match the fly. I cut the hook off the front hook so it was just the shank and the rear hook left to do the hooking. I'll try to post a pic but I think I already did here once. |
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I don't have time to get into lots of detail, but as someone who has been catching, that's catching, not fishing, for muskies with flies for 45 years I will share one bit of info that is IMO the most critical, and the one one most often missed by folks just starting out. The weight and wind resistance of the fly is a liability in delivering it. When you add joints, extra hooks etc. you greatly reduce your ability to deliver the fly. All the flies (all like 3 of them, ha!) I use can be cast 90 feet with only one or two false casts using an 8 or even a 7 fly rod. At the end of the day, it makes a big difference in terms of water covered, not to mention time to attract and trigger.
You don't want bulk. You want an illusion of bulk. (It's why I invented big fly fiber.)
Check out some of the patterns used by the guys on the east coast who are fishing for stripers.
Also, time spent in developing your casting skills, as in high speed narrow loop and double hauling without tearing your underwear in the process, is time well spent.
A friend of mine up on Wollaton Lake, Chip Cromarty, has been making flies 36" long or more out of big fly fiber and flashabou, and catching big pike on them! They're skinny as can be, but both pike and lakers eat them! Are they fun, or even possible to really cast? That's another story.
good luck, keep your heads down!
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Location: Racine, Wi | Thanks for the input Larry. I'm not new to fly fishing for them, just getting back into it. Definitely need to learn the ins and outs of tying though. I'll take a look at some striper patterns. I know some of the other streamers I've tied were tied out of synthetic hair (although I think I used too much on the first few) as I know how tiring it can be to throw huge flies like the one I posted above. Just looking for some fun streamers to tie and throw in some of the smaller rivers I fish in N. Wisco, so hopefully casting these won't be toooooo terrible.
It's a fun learning curve tying these things, and I definintely have my divers and some other "easier" baits to throw as a mainstay, but these looked interesting to tie when I came across them. It'll be interesting to see which ones work as I want, and to see what different materials do both in and out of the water. |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Good input from Larry for sure. Synthetic materials like his big fly fiber, flashabou and crystal flash is so much better than natural fibers when it comes to weight, shedding water and wind resistance. Hair and feathers look pretty but aren't always the best. WRT the articulated fly, I have to admit I haven't tied anything longer than about 4-5" and those were for bass. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | My fly senses were tingling!! LOL I rarely come in here, but stumbled in here tonight, bored at work.
I've got some pics of my jointed flies on my computer at home which I'll load tonight when I get home. I really like to overbuild my stuff, so it's really more than you need. Basically it consists of stranded wire tied to the front hook, and then tied back over itself. If you just tie the wire straight to the hook and don't double it back or secure it to the front eye, it will slip eventually. All of that done, I then run rubber tube over the joint to absolutely ensure the treads not be cut or worn. Overbuilt, yes but not in such a manner that hinders casting or the pattern itself.
I also use beads over the wire loop to help alleviate fouling and ensure the hooks sits right on the wire. Can also route the wire through the aft hook eye in different ways to keep it from migrating down the wire.
And of course Larry hit it on the head with the materials comments. I don't have to say that, I mean, it's Larry! We know he always hits it on the head! I use Big Fly Fibre extensively. It's awesome. I also use alot of yak yair. It's one of the few naturals I'll use on larger flies. It's incredibly stiff, course and does well shedding water and holding up to the fish. Years ago I tied alot with marabou, rabbit and hackle and now I don't use it at all. For the bulk factor and because it just doesn't hold up nearly as well as yak or synthetics. |
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Location: Racine, Wi | Will, that one is a 7"er. I tied up a black, white, and grey one the other day with a more traditional head, and a perch colored one last night as well. If I wasn't so lazy at the moment, I'd post a picture or two. I definitely need to pick up some more synthetic materials. We have a place in Milwaukee that is an awesome fly shop, so I'll have to stop in and see what they have to say. Too much fun tying these things, but lots to learn about it too. I'll have to see what kind of baits I can tie tonight with the synthetics that I do have now. Man this is addicting. |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Here's an example of my tandem joints. You can see the tubing over the wraps, and the bead over the strands to keep the aft hook where it should be. I get pretty extreme with my patterns, and you can see the length of the trailer in the second fly. That's a "chasis" for a 10" yak/Flash or BFF pattern.
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