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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | I am currently in the process of studying skin pattern characteristics of Tiger muskies. I have observed that the skin pattern found on Tigers is similar to pattern's found on the ridges of fingerprints of humans such as line bifurcations, line endings, dots and even enclosed lines called enclosures.
With a backround in fingerprint identification and also being a muskie angler I found the similarites to be striking. Therefore, one photograph of a tiger muskie can be compared to another photograph of a Tiger and either positively identified or excluded as being the same creature. A match if you will.
Tony Grant mentioned this in at least one article he has written in Musky Hunter magazine a few years ago.
I would ask that if any anglers out there have photographs of two Tiger muskies that they believe are the same fish please send me a PM as I would like to arrange to compare the photos.
As a side note, true muskie patterns are not as distinct but some barred muskies have comparable characteristics. Clear muskies.......nada.
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Location: Chicago, IL | Check with Scott Kieper, Kiepers Catch & Release Guide Service
Here is a link to his website: http://www.scottkieper.com/id1.html
Also you can contact Paul or Bruce Wick at Anglers Haven Resort, they have some awesome pictures of a "tiger queen" that was caught 3 or 4 times over a 5 year time span
Their website is :
http://www.anglershavenresort.com
You could also try Joel Tinker, Top Tackle Guide Service, http://www.toptackle.com
Hope this helps?
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | Lakeshore.........thanks for the info.! |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I believe that Dan Okray (GOTONE) has some pics of a tiger he got twice.
I have a few pics, but have never gone through them looking for duplicates, except looking for a specific fish.
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Location: The Yahara Chain | Steve, although these are of a natural it has some pretty cool bars. I believe it is the same fish.
Caught on 10/13/06 and the second one was on 11/09/06. Let me know what the finger print tells you.
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | Troy.........The two photos of the barred muskie match. I counted 28 points of positve comparison between the two. Of particular interest is 6 enclosures within a relatively small area on the port side. At least 5 bifurcated lines matching in location and characteristics as well as three islands. The rest are ridge endings in the same locations. Same fish. A beautiful barred true muskie.
Sorno......Thanks I have Don Okray's email and message sent. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Nice Ohio strain musky (E. masquinongy ohioensis). I did a double take at first, as it really does look a lot like a tiger, in the mid-body area.
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | Tom........The pointed tail is a dead giveaway for a true muskie. Also the barred stripes on a true are not nearly as vivid as the Tiger stripes. Tiger markings also go all the way around the back of a tiger not just on the sides. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | Yup... But if you don't look at the tail or the caudal peduncle, the markings are spectacular. Very nice barring indeed.
EDIT: The first picture shows the barring a bit better than the second, I think, primarily because there's less glare.
TB
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Location: martinsburg wv | is this a tiger or pure
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Location: The Yahara Chain | tcbetka - 5/10/2009 5:05 PM
Yup... But if you don't look at the tail or the caudal peduncle, the markings are spectacular. Very nice barring indeed.
EDIT: The first picture shows the barring a bit better than the second, I think, primarily because there's less glare.
TB
Yes, that second photo was a solo shot were the camera was a little over exposed. It was a very pretty green color that the first picture shows better. I was sure that it was the same fish because it had a slightly deformed fin. Steve just verified what I thought all along. I have another fish that I am pretty sure I caught twice, two weeks apart as well.
RIVER MUSKY - 5/10/2009 6:10 PM
is this a tiger or pure
The fish is a natural, no tigers in this lake. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | It's a Ohio Strain "pure" musky, not a Tiger. Tigers have rounded tails and fins, more like the pike. There are three strains of muskellunge--clear, spotted and barred. These photos are of a barred musky, or "Ohio River Strain," with a textbook barring pattern.
Although there tends to be a bit of debate on this depending upon who you read, in general:
Clear ("Wisconsin") strain = Esox masquinongy immaculatus
Barred ("Ohio River") strain = Esox masquinongy ohioensis
Spotted ("Great Lakes") strain = Esox masquinongy masquinongy
Tiger = Esox Lucius X Esox masquinongy (pike CROSS musky)
TB
EDIT: Sorry Troy, we were posting at the same time. It really is a beautifully-colored fish. I am curious; how far apart (time-wise) were those pictures taken, and what were the sizes, if you measured it both times?
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Location: martinsburg wv | got the pic to load |
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Location: The Yahara Chain | tcbetka - 5/10/2009 6:27 PM
It really is a beautifully-colored fish. I am curious; how far apart (time-wise) were those pictures taken, and what were the sizes, if you measured it both times?
The picture where I was bundled up was a very blustery October day, 10/19/06. It was one of two fish I got that day.
I caught it again three weeks later. This time it was an Indian summer kind of day on 11/09/06. It was part of a four fish day.
I measured it right at 40" both times.
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Location: martinsburg wv | that what i thought they used to stock tiger in the river but i thank there is more pure musky then tiger |
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | River Musky........Yes, GUEST is correct, 100% pure. Notice the sharp tail fins. Tigers have rounded tail fins like a northern pike. Also notice that the marked bars on that fish end at the back, Tigers the bars and stripes go all the way around and on top of the back. Also on pure muskies the bars are less vivid or stark. On Tigers the bars and stripes are very stark, like a black magic marker on white paper! |
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Location: Pelican Rapids, MN | Here is an LOTW tiger I got last year when filming "Go Fish". When I catch it this year, I will send you the photo! 
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Location: WI | Hi Steve,
Here are the pics of the tiger that I got twice up by Hayward, that Sorno was speaking of. The pics are old and scanned, but the first time I caught this fish (the one on the right) it was my first ever muskie (at the time measured her at 36). I caught another tiger the next year and I think I measured it at 32. A few years later I was bringing the pics up to show someone that there were actually tigers in this lake and that I had caught two on it, and noticed it was the same fish! I guess I was a little excited on my first ever muskie and had a favorable tape measure! There are a few markings that show it pretty good (gill plate and a y-mark on the body). I could only scan these through word, so I'm not sure how they will show up on here.
I was a little younger and skinnier than as well!
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Me thinks SteveR has too much time on his hands. |
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | Gerard.........You are just jealous because you have never caught the same muskie twice!
The study is coming along very well I might add. |
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Location: Madison WI | Steve
I am almost positive this is the same fish, it was first caught by my buddy right around opener and I caught her 15 days later. I am thinking it is the same fish due to the spot on the gill plate but was wondering what you thought.
Thanks in advance!
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| Judging by the damage to the tail and the dorsal fin? That's defintely the same fish. |
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Location: North Central Illinois | esoxaddict - 6/5/2009 4:08 PM
Judging by the damage to the tail and the dorsal fin? That's defintely the same fish.
I was thinking the EXACT same thing!! Nice fish! |
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Location: MadCity Wisconsin | Muskyhunter.......Sorry, I wasnt following this thread the last few months. I came up with 15 characteristics that are comparable to both fish. Each characteristic or point of comparison matched up in location and individual minutae. The same fish!
Although this fish appears to be a true muskie it has several markings and patterns similar to what you would see on a Hybrid muskie. As stated by others it also appears to have the same damaged fin, although that alone is not sufficient to say it is the same creature.
Just curious, how far away from the dam was the fish caught on the second occasion?
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