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Location: Indianapolis, IN | I'm in the market for a new reel. I'm looking to campare these two reels? Which reel would you buy in the 250.00 range?
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| I will not knock a Curado as they are great reels but I will say that the Toro gives you a syncronized line guide which I feel is VERY improtant in a musky sized reel. The Toro also gives you the option of a size 5 or size 6 reel with 2, and soon to b 3, different gear ratios. Plus the Toro has a stronger drag and comes with both a double and a single power handle.
And you can send in for a $120 pair of WileyX glasses with the Toro! |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Toro all the way !!!! Now with the 4.6:1 gears coming out in Sept 2009, here is a pic from the 2009 ICAST Show . The 5.4:1 and the 6.4:1 in 50 & 60 reels are for sale right now.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I own both, buy the Toro, gearing is personal choice, I run the 5:3 and does all I ask it to. |
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| i love my curado 300e primary for crankbaits ok ok for dbl10. i know i will get new toro winch for dbl10 with 93 okuma rod later in fall. but if u use it for everything else include dbl10 from the sound of reviews i would get toro. |
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| those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
for $250 it had better say "Shimano" on the side.
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | lambeau - 7/25/2009 9:55 PM
those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
for $250 it had better say "Shimano" on the side.
Normaly I agree with this 100% but I think Abu finally makes a muskie reel. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I have to agree with shaley. I'm impressed with the Revo Toro, tough, smooth, and free of any glitches at all to date. |
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| I have the 61hs Toro and i like the speed and comfortability, but i have only had it three months and i had to rebuild it 3 times already. For some reason this reel absorbs water like a sponge. The drag keeps slipping due to the water inside and quite a few times the reel will not engage after casting. Some of the trigger parts for the spool engage are made of plastic and if you ask me it will not stand the test of time like my TE's. We will see. But it has handled a couple of four footers already with no problem.  Just high maintainence. The other thing is they say the Sunglasses deal you get is a $130 value? On the Wiley website the only way these sunglasses are at $130 value is if you get the blue green lenses. Of course mine came with the standard black lens witch on their website is valued at i think $79. 
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| Shimano has had there problems also, remember the Corsair? |
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| Muskybug, I was not able to find the P17's with the standard black lense on the WIley X site but I did find the Slyde model that is the other option, and they come with the blue lense on the site for $126.
If you have been having problems like that with your Toro I would send it back to Abu and have them take a look at it. |
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| All I can say is I love my Curados, which means I have never had a reason to buy another reel for similar applications. Can't say I have ever said that about any other reel I have owned. I fish a lot and I fish hard, so these reels take a pounding, but they are still going strong. Thanks for the advice on these lambeau some time ago, not sure if you remember or not.
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Location: Toronto, Ontario | reelman - 7/26/2009 12:31 AM
Shimano has had there problems also, remember the Corsair?
Seriously, you can't compare the Corsair to the Toro, can you? Slightly different price point, no? |
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Location: Toronto, Ontario | I have a Curado 300E on a 7'6" St. Croix Tourney "The Jerk" rod....my favorite combo, amazing for working jerk baits. I have seen and "felt" the Toro, seems to be a nice reel. If it proves to be a quality reel over time, it will be a hit and I will get one too! That said, I love my Curado thus far.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | lambeau - 7/25/2009 9:55 PM
those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
for $250 it had better say "Shimano" on the side.
PIKEMASTER:
Like I say if you live in the past you will never see the light of the new DAY, and that new day is here with the ABU TORO. Funny how guys will comment on a reel that they have never used or look inside of the reel. The Shimano Curado is a great reel, but it has it's limits because it has a DISENGAGING level wind. I have 2 Curado's a D & the new E, great reels for baits under 3-4oz I use my for Bass & Pike.
The Toro has NON-DISENGAGING levelwind that is made for large DIA braid lines, the 60 Toro will hold 160 yds of 100lb braid line, the handle shaft is 40% larger then the Curado so the Toro you can use a power handle, the Curado you can not. The Toro has X - Craftic Aluminum side plates and frame, the Curado has graphite side plates. I have 3 Toro's 1-50 and 2-60 reels that I use for Musky fishing and now I will have to get the new 4.6:1 gear Toro for slow rolling DCG10-13 for night time. The Toro has 3 gears to choice from, 6.4:1, 5.4:1 and now 4.6:1, the Curado just one. Any reel will fail, Musky guys are the hardest of all fishing groups on reels but if you give the Toro a cast or two you will see what I'm talking about.
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Location: Twin Cities | Not really fair to compare a corsair and a curado either....i've thrown the toro with a 5.4:1, it's not in the same category as a curado IMO because it doesn't have the line pickup for jerks and other such baits. You do a lot more work to fish the same lure with a toro. Again, another tool for the tool box. Are the other gear ratio toro's even available? I know 5-6 people with them and they all have the 5.4:1.
I don't see how a disengaging levelwind matters for anything, I can pitch lures a MILE with the curado... |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | The Toro 60 in 4.6:1 has a 23" line pickup, the 5.4:1 has a 26" line pickup and the 6.4:1 has a 30.9" line pick up, the Curado has only 28" so the the Toro H/S has almost 3" more line pickup per turn of the reel handle, so say on a 100' cast on the Shimano Curado you will turn the handle 43 times to bring the bait in, on a ToroH/S only 38 turns of the reel handle, you save 5 turns. So in a day that you make 1000 casts, that is 5000 !!! more turns of the reel handle with a Curado !!!!!!!! What is a non disengaging level wind ?? The levelwind will also move with the line from the spool on the cast, so on casts with 80-100lb test braid the levelwind will move with line as it goes off the spool for a smoother cast with less friction on the line. The TORO in 5.4:1 & 6.4:1 are in stores as we speak, the new 4.6:1 will be out in late AUG 2009. The TORO in 6.4:1 blows away the Curado in line pickup !!!!!!!
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Location: Ft. Wayne, Indiana | PIKEMASTER - 7/26/2009 11:34 AM
The Toro 60 in 4.6:1 has a 23" line pickup, the 5.4:1 has a 26" line pickup and the 6.4:1 has a 30.9" line pick up, the Curado has only 28" so the the Toro H/S has almost 3" more line pickup per turn of the reel handle, so say on a 100' cast on the Shimano Curado you will turn the handle 43 times to bring the bait in, on a ToroH/S only 38 turns of the reel handle, you save 5 turns. So in a day that you make 1000 casts, that is 5000 !!! more turns of the reel handle with a Curado !!!!!!!! What is a non disengaging level wind ?? The levelwind will also move with the line from the spool on the cast, so on casts with 80-100lb test braid the levelwind will move with line as it goes off the spool for a smoother cast with less friction on the line. The TORO in 5.4:1 & 6.4:1 are in stores as we speak, the new 4.6:1 will be out in late AUG 2009. The TORO in 6.4:1 blows away the Curado in line pickup !!!!!!!
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| JRedig, I whole heartedly agree that you can't compare the Curado to the Corsair but comparing the Curado to a lower priced Abu is not fair either and I think that is what lambaue was implying considering that this is Abu's first entry into the $250+ market.
The 6.4 Toro's are available all over, just look for the HS models.
The disengaging level wind is a fine thing with a narrow spooled reel like on the smaller Curados or Revos but as you get into the wider spools a synchronized line guide is a very important thing IMHO. Without it the angle of the line coming off the spool to the level wind can be very drastic which can cause backlashes due to the line not being able to go through the level wind fast enough when there is a large angle. This problem is important on a size 5 (abu) or size 3(Shimano) but is absalutly critical on a size 6 (abu) or size 4(shimano) reel. If you ever saw the preasure curves for the drag on a line guide that didn't disengage you would be amazed at the peaks caused by the line not coming straight through the line guide.
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| Funny how guys will comment on a reel that they have never used or look inside of the reel. The Shimano Curado is a great reel, but it has it's limits because it has a DISENGAGING level wind. I have 2 Curado's a D & the new E, great reels for baits under 3-4oz I use my for Bass & Pike.
actually, i have used the Toro. i don't own one, but i've used it.
i use my 4 Curados for everything except double-10s: that includes pounders, ripping jakes, 10" weagles, etc. and they've not had a hiccup in 2+ years.
the Toro has a wider spool than the Curado, requiring the non-disengaging levelwind. the upside of this for the Toro is higher line capacity, but the fact that the Curado's narrower spool allows it to have a disengaging levelwind is hardly something lacking in that reel. i don't need a widget to go back and forth on my reel to make me happy, i need it to cast effectively. the Curado casts long and smooth without backlash on up to 80lb superbraid; yes, 100lb braid is too big for it and slows down the cast.
JRedig, I whole heartedly agree that you can't compare the Curado to the Corsair but comparing the Curado to a lower priced Abu is not fair either and I think that is what lambeau was implying considering that this is Abu's first entry into the $250+ market.
i wasn't comparing any reels in particular. i was simply pointing out the well-established reality that Abu has struggled over the past 6-8 years to produce reels that will stand up to the rigors of muskie fishing. every other year or so they've come out with a much ballyhooed new reel: the Record, the 7000i, the EXT. each one was supposed to be "it"...i've owned more than one of each of those reels and the one consistent aspect was that they went down under pressure.
unlike some of the people waving the Abu flag in this discussion, i don't actually care one way or the other, since i don't work for a reel company or sell any reels. i hope the Toro is everything that the spokespeople claim it is, we all benefit when we have good options.
i just want the stuff i spend my money on to work, and to that end i prefer to stick with reels that are already proven and let others pay $250 to find out if the new stuff is worth it or not. maybe in a year or two i'll have a boat full of Toros, but until then i already know what my Shimano reels will do...work.
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| I have used up to pounders with my curado as well. Not saying it is ideal for it, but it did work and has not wrecked the reel. |
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| unlike some of the people waving the Abu flag in this discussion, i don't actually care one way or the other, since i don't work for a reel company or sell any reels. i hope the Toro is everything that the spokespeople claim it is, we all benefit when we have good options.
i just want the stuff i spend my money on to work, and to that end i prefer to stick with reels that are already proven and let others pay $250 to find out if the new stuff is worth it or not. maybe in a year or two i'll have a boat full of Toros, but until then i already know what my Shimano reels will do...work.
I am Just saying for the money i spent i would think this reel would last longer than three months. I can't be the only one with excessive water getting in this reel, or the only one who has problems with this reel engaging. I use Shimano Te's but was looking for an alternative reel for more speed, but i guess i got a lemon. Plus when i ripped this reel apart the first time, one of the spool bearing was already froze up. I'm not trying to just RIP on Abu's product here. I am just speaking the truth. Plastic never lasts!!!
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| I avoided the DCG thing for a few years but I am now hooked - they just work:) Now I am so darn confused about what reel to buy to burn these things. My friend has a Abu 7000 and it is just too heavy and I have been using a cardiff (5000? - 5.8:1 ratio) to fish it. I can burn the DCG but it hurts me and I am not sure how long the reel can take it. My Abu 5500 is not much better (with the standard handle). I want a LEFTY reel that is not 20 ounces but can still burn a DCG fairly well. I heard a power handle on a Abu 6500 will do the job, then someone else told me it wouldn't. Do I get 4.6:1 Toro or the 5.4:1. Do I go with the Abu or what??? The saltist doesn't come in lefty models to make things tougher. |
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| CURADO ALL THE WAYYY........ |
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Location: Twin Cities | Landry - 7/26/2009 11:17 PM
I avoided the DCG thing for a few years but I am now hooked - they just work:) Now I am so darn confused about what reel to buy to burn these things. My friend has a Abu 7000 and it is just too heavy and I have been using a cardiff (5000? - 5.8:1 ratio) to fish it. I can burn the DCG but it hurts me and I am not sure how long the reel can take it. My Abu 5500 is not much better (with the standard handle). I want a LEFTY reel that is not 20 ounces but can still burn a DCG fairly well. I heard a power handle on a Abu 6500 will do the job, then someone else told me it wouldn't. Do I get 4.6:1 Toro or the 5.4:1. Do I go with the Abu or what??? The saltist doesn't come in lefty models to make things tougher.
If you want to burn dbl 10's, the only thing you've listed that will do so and not get destroyed in short order is a saltist.
What's wrong with a heavy reel? I don't find it changing much about how I fish except the grip. Keep in mind, those blades create a lot of resistance, nothing will make it easy to fish them fast, some ways are just less work/hassle than others. Even if it gets easier to reel, more pressure is transferred to your holding arm and it will tire as well....everything is a compromise... |
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