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| sworrall - 4/10/2009 2:15 PM
If there were the number of Muskies as there are Pike, you'd be bored with Muskies. .
Agreed - I like the "hunt"!!!! I didn't bowhunt the year after I arrowed a 152" deer because for a while I was "satisfied" - I have never went back pike fishing in May after I seriously got into chasing muskie....Now if I set a goal say catch a 48" pike on a flyrod - it may light a fire. I want a 54" + Muskie and my passion may subside when I reach my goal??? ...I guess its just my personality --- Do it the Tred Barta way! LOL
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I want a 50" Pike. Like I'll ever catch THAT fish. |
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| To each his own of course. But I have to agree with Steve in wishing I had that boredom problem from catching too many fish. I guess I can't quite wrap my mind around that one.
But I can appreciate that you like the more difficult hunt for Musky that is the case after the spawn is over and they have left the bays that would make them easy targets, too. Thank goodness that many states do not allow for that.
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| Boring was a bad choice of words - Not a challenge is what I meant - If I wanted to go catch a 45" pike this year I know I could - I'd bet the farm on it. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Personally, I happen to be a bit partial to a package that contains both...
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Sorno, What a great pic !
Your son seems to be saying with that look,.... "Oh Ya, I'm Cool... I'm Bad !"
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| Jim Munday - 4/9/2009 4:22 PM
"Pike are just bait."
Dude...you've never BEEN on a good Pike lake if you really believe that. I'd take either on about any day.
I agree....In kiepers newest video, they ran out of suckers for the day but caught a hammer handle pike and put a sucker harness on it, and a muskie nailed it! |
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Location: lake x...where the hell is it? | Deeply Hooked - 4/11/2009 11:18 PM
Jim Munday - 4/9/2009 4:22 PM
"Pike are just bait."
Dude...you've never BEEN on a good Pike lake if you really believe that. I'd take either on about any day.
I agree....In kiepers newest video, they ran out of suckers for the day but caught a hammer handle pike and put a sucker harness on it, and a muskie nailed it!
was that a 45" pike that got nailed? pike eat musky also!!! |
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Location: Forest Lake, Mn. | I think that catching a 50 inch pike is more of an achievement than a 50 inch muskie. People have mentioned numbers on this thread. Looking at catch rates it looks like a 50 inch pike is a rarer fish than a 50 inch muskie. As a young boy my dream was to put a 30 pound pike in the boat. I've had 30 pound muskie in the boat but not a pike.
But for me, I don't care which I catch. As long as it's green, mean, toothy, strong, and long with plenty of girth, the color of it's spots doesn't matter.
In fact I'd like to see some appropriate bodies of water, here in Mn and Ws, managed for throphy pike in the same manner that we manage muskie waters for throphies. Given the proper enviroment and good management pike will grow to the size of muskies. Perhaps we need a "Pike Inc." too? Heck, it might even be a tool to use to better manage muskies and take some pressure off the muskie waters?
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Location: Land of the Musky | Pike for me. Last year I have never caught so many 40"+ pike in a short time. Biggest was a 48" for us. In about 2 hours we got multiple low 40s a 44", 45", 46" and a 48" to top it off. |
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Location: Irvine, KY | Being from KY and not making my first trip up north yet (might change that this year)... Ive never even seen a pike, so I guess id be happy to catch a few. I believe id take a trip to Europe for some of the monsters they have there, over any musky lake in our part of the world though. |
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Location: Warrenville,IL | IAJustin - 4/10/2009 2:38 PM
You need to go to ALASKA.....
Justin,
Not really.
You actually would need to go here> www.taltsonbaypike.com Great Slave.
Another possible location is Lac La Marte.
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Location: Minneconia | Either way I wish people liked pike as much as this post indicates as it would take some of the pressure off of my favorite musky lakes.....:P |
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Location: McFarland | Winter Pike...Summer Muskies
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Location: Madison, WI | ^^^
Show off. :P |
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| jamie - 4/13/2009 7:26 AM
IAJustin - 4/10/2009 2:38 PM
You need to go to ALASKA.....
Justin,
Not really.
You actually would need to go here> www.taltsonbaypike.com Great Slave.
Another possible location is Lac La Marte.
My family has been to Lac La Marte several times don't think the camp they went to ever reported a 50" pike (lot of Mid and upper 40's) and no doubt Great Slave is a haven for mid-40" pike - and I' m sure there could be a few 50" pike in there -But there have been a dozen+ C&R pike from Alaska waters between 52-54" in the last 10 years - Steve wanted a 50" Pike - tributaries of the Yukon is the destination hands down. |
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Location: Wauwatosa, Wisconsin | Musky Musky Musky Musky! Its all about the thrill of chasing and finding the fish and hooking up with one. Sure pike are fun and the numbers can be great, but sometimes its just to easy. Sometimes i like a challange it makes me feel like I am becoming a better fisherman and I learn to appreciate that fish way more. And plus when you Musky fishing there are usually some nice bonus pike. DIE HARD MUSKY FISHERMAN FOR LIFE!!!! |
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Location: Sioux Lookout On Canada | Having the best of both worlds here in the Lac Seul area of Northwestern Ontario, I frequently encounter trophy size pike while musky fishing. It is about covering water and the anticipation of what will bite next. Some of the largest pike that I have had the pleasure of boating myself or with guests, have been while we were musky fishing.
Fishing is fishing when you are throwing big baits.
I have many successful catches of 40"+ pike while musky fishing. They are common. Rick Franklin, Pro walleye fisherman can testify to this experience. We boated really nice pike over 36", one over 40" and muskies in the mid 40-50 inch class muskies were in the same spots. We then boated a mid 40" muskie down the shore from the pike. Unless you have fished this area, you are yet to really know what can happen. Come share the experience guys... it is incredible! I agree Steve, the Goon, LOTW and Lac Seul have the best of both worlds. Large, aggressive toothy critters...
It makes me remember the time fishing with Colin Gosse... Bear Paw Bay on Lac Seul... I hooked a 40.25" northern on a bucktail and as I was bringing it boatside, A mid 50" muskie T-boned the pike. That was a rush.
Enough Said...
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Canadian Heartland Fishing
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Location: Sioux Lookout On Canada | Hey Steve... looking for a 50" pike? Wesley Bay on Lac Seul... see the fish there each season but not lucky enough to keep them hooked... very big and maybe you or JK will be the lucky guys to keep them on. Absolute big water monster...
NO bull.
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Location: Land of the Musky | Got the quesation of where I went for my big pike. Answer: Anglers Kingdom just North of Red Lake Ontatrio
http://www.anglerskingdom.com
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Location: Warrenville,IL | IAJustin - 4/13/2009 10:32 AM
jamie - 4/13/2009 7:26 AM
IAJustin - 4/10/2009 2:38 PM
You need to go to ALASKA.....
Justin,
Not really.
You actually would need to go here> www.taltsonbaypike.com Great Slave.
Another possible location is Lac La Marte.
My family has been to Lac La Marte several times don't think the camp they went to ever reported a 50" pike (lot of Mid and upper 40's ) and no doubt Great Slave is a haven for mid-40" pike - and I' m sure there could be a few 50" pike in there -But there have been a dozen+ C&R pike from Alaska waters between 52-54" in the last 10 years - Steve wanted a 50" Pike - tributaries of the Yukon is the destination hands down.
Justin,
I disagree strongly. There's more than a few. It's an annual happening. We get 50's every year.
I'm not trying to get into a pi$$ing contest with ya. I know the Yukon is awesome and there are some huge pike in the 50's, but the average.. "AVERAGE" pike on Slave is 38.5" and 16-17lbs. That's the average. The average person catches one every 13 minutes. The largest ones of the year consistently are 50". And the number of trophies ( 41" and above in NWT) averages about 6-8 PER day PER angler. The best week was 312 41"+ in a single week for a single group of 8.
Here's a couple of the 50's from there.
There's a few more in here> http://trophypikepix.blogspot.com/
But..anyway..normally I'd take muskies if I'm in NW Ontario, IL, or WI. But if I'm going way north, the pike win out. 
If anyone really wants a crack at the biggest of the big in the pike world, we'd all have to travel to the Baltic Sea. They have all of us beat hands down.
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| I like contests Years 1992 -1999 38-39" was the average on the Gullrock chain in May - with 10-15 40"+ fish daily best day over 20 including 3 over 45" with a mid 30LB sow ...Cost me $300 a week
Big pike are easy thats my point (especially if you are willing to fly and spend $$$) - 50" pike can be had in north america - Where did Reynolds get his 54" pike?
Pike on the Fly: In Pursuit of the Water Wolf DVD
Synopsis: Reynolds ups the entertainment factor with some of the most exciting pike fly fishing action ever caught on film. Filming took place over the past 3 summers at some of the worlds most prolific pike waters in Alaska & Canada. During filming Barry took eight pike of over 50” including his new personal best of 54”! separate bonus added footage section at the end on fly’s, leaders, & other tackle for those who want more than just the entertainment value. 60 min.
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| Another choice for truely huge Pike is Camp Grayling outfitters..there is a lake they do flyouts to call Riou...as far as big pike go, if you are a big pike hunter you have heard of this lake...if not, then you aren't! ; )
I have done a trip with this outfitter and we put pike to 50" in the boat...a 50" pike is far more rare than a 55" musky imo...they have pike to 54" in camp
http://campgrayling.ca/index.htm
Justin, you have done trips to Gull Rock chain? in ontario? i'm going there this summer w/ the fam..shoot me an email...
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| Or you could come down fishing with me this weekend and we can talk all about it - I have only been there in May so don't know if I can help with summer but I'll send you a PM. |
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| My memory isn't good, but I believe that there were some scientific studies reported on by Infisherman magazine comparing "how smart" pike were, compared to other predatory freshwater fish. I'm paraphrasing, but they studied how many times each fish species would strike some sort of decoy that was introduced into an aquarium.
If memory serves, the pike would strike the decoy most quickly upon introduction, and with greater frequency. Basically, the pike would keep hitting this decoy over and over again, while other species--including muskies--would, ostensibly, "learn" that it was a decoy and not hit it more than once.
The theory was that pike are programmed to feed with a reckless abandon due to the extreme amount of inter-species competition for food....
The study made sense to me at the time, as to why pike seemed so much easier to catch than muskies.
Anyone remember this study? Better yet, anyone have a link? I'd like to re-read that, as I'm a bit fuzzy on the details. |
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Location: Southern W.Va. | I guess that I'm in a different place as Northerns are really not available to me here in W.Va. but muskies are with several good creeks and rivers in my area, along with a few lakes. To me it's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. Fished the "Big V" for the first time last year and was lucky enough to put a 40" pike and a 42" musky in the boat with the pike being my largest to date. I consider the pike a better catch then the 42" ski as I was told that it was larger then average, while the 42" ski was just average for that lake. Personally , I love them both and can't wait to go north to chase them again. Saw a HUGH muskie while fishing with Jonesi but couldn't say that I've ever seen a bigger pike.
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Location: Maple Grove, MN | If you want really big Pike, then head out to Colorado and/or Northern New Mexico. The Pike out there get massive while feeding on those tasty stocked trout. Very few people fish for them and +50" is not out of the question. Pike in the 35 to 40 lb range are almost common.
Sometimes I wonder how big of Pike one could catch out there with our modern Muskie tackle. The New Mexico state record is just shy of the world record.
Just a thought.
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