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| As though we don't have enough politics in Illinois/ "State of Chicago", just introduced to the Senate last week, was a ban on lead sinkers and jigs. Call your senators and express your displeasure, there are more important things to worry about than minute chance a bird digs in the mud and finds a split shot and swallows it. In the bill it does address lure making. Section 2 line 3 para. "e" . For more info you can google: illinois general assembly senate bill sb1269
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| I am a fellow fisherman just like you. Maybe this isn't such a bad law. Maybe we can make all lures using lead free parts. I know you can buy lead free solder for plumbing. I think lure construction would be the same, just using lead free parts.
Doesn't lead contaminate our water? If I am missing something, someone please enlighten me.
Brian
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Location: Verona, WI | I am with you Brian - if there's a way to make the environment a little better we should do it. I took a quick look and it's more than swallows. In Wisconsin from 94-03 12% of bald eagle deaths were caused by lead poisoning. 46% of loon deaths in New England, 30% of loon deaths in Canada, and 17% in Minnesota were caused by lead sinkers/jigs.
Just my $0.02. The real issue for baitmakers is to find a reasonable substitute for lead.
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| they discussed that in ontario. reasons were shorebirds and quackers eating lead. they will never be able to enforce that issue. maybe they should look at the real problems.
invasive species
sewer discharge
loss of wetlands
till then screw the goverments.
they only want to hammer mr. joe plumber. |
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Location: oswego, il | How soft are the non-lead sinkers? My reason for asking is the weights I use for making bucktaisl are egg sinkers I smash into a disc shape in a vise. I do it for spacing reasons to get more weight into a shorter area for the skirt size. |
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Location: Minnesota | The non-lead sinkers that I have tried are not very soft. Almost impossible to use your teeth to shut a split shot  The issue I have seen so far with non-lead stuff for fishing is that the density is not anywhere near lead so the size for the same amount of weight ends up being significantly larger for something non-lead.
From what I understand - most of the dead birds such as eagles and loons consumed jigs and or split shots that were stuck in a fish that was eaten by that bird. If the ban were limited to jigs and split shots, that would probably save some birds lives and not be all that painful to the average fisherman. If we all rode our bikes instead of driving cars we would probably save a few deer too.
I think that lead is not water soluble so a lead component wouldn't break down and cause environmental harm unless something actually ate it? |
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Location: Wisconsin | I think this is a good idea. I have been trying to move away from lead and am now looking at steel weights in my bucktails. Tungsten is a little too expensive now, but the tungsten weights are actually the same weight as lead for size and I use them for bass fishing. I have even seen ceramic weights from Europe. A change in policy will make manufacturers come up with new materials and the cost should come down. |
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| I have used a few steel weights in the past on lures I did not need to flatten out the egg sinker. Rust was an issue. They do rust up and it gets on everything. |
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| GOONSDAD - 2/20/2009 3:19 PM
Call your senators and express your displeasure, there are more important things to worry about than minute chance a bird digs in the mud and finds a split shot and swallows it.
If you think lead only affects birds, you are seriously mistaken. Please re-read lines 19-23 on the first page and 1-7 on the second. |
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| Since there appears to be no edit function in this forum (or available in my last post), I have a correction to my above post. The senate bill addresses other concerns aside from waterfowl ingesting lead weights. Re-read the above lines and see what they address.
Edited by esox50 2/24/2009 10:19 AM
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| ....and then they will want lead illegal in bullets, and of course the fisherman won't stand up for the hunters because "we had to give it up so they should have to also."
Divide and conquer. |
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| In my limited experience, I have found that lead free solder sold in hardware stores appears to have the same properties as lead--size, density, melt-ability, etc...
I don't want to handle lead myself--I don't want to touch it or have lead residue in my house or workshop. I sometimes work on lures on my kitchen table, but that is a bad place for lead.
I would prefer lead free products. If there are lure/parts manufacturers out there, this could be a great business opportunity for you, regardless of the law.
A good start would be to go to the plumbing section of Home Depot and look for lead free solder (for house water pipes). That is where I found mine.
If there are plumbers out there, please help us with your knowledge.
Brian
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | would this even effect bucktails since they are not attached directly to the line? Also the baits are longer than 1.5 inches.
18 "Lead sinker" means any device that is designed to be
19 attached to fishing line for the purpose of sinking the line,
20 and that contains one ounce of lead or less. |
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Location: Minnesota | "I sometimes work on lures on my kitchen table, but that is a bad place for lead."
So........ would aluminum, tungsten, bismuth, steel, or any other heavy metal be good to work with at the kitchen table?
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| Interesting thread. I avoid pouring lead because of the potential hazards, including getting burned and the fumes, but I paint with mostly enamels. I do use an excellent paint booth and a respirator in a well-ventilated room.
Others refuse to use enamels or lacquers, often citing the fume hazard, but don't hesitate to melt and pour lead.
I think we're all nuts. |
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Location: Sawyer County, WI | Makintrax73 - 2/24/2009 10:56 AM
....and then they will want lead illegal in bullets, and of course the fisherman won't stand up for the hunters because "we had to give it up so they should have to also."
Divide and conquer.
I've started to look into copper loads. After reading about how the lead spreads out through a deer on impact I'm pretty sure sure I won't be eating any lead in 2009's venison... |
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| I imagine the reasons lead is still used are it's dense, it's cheap and it's relatively easy to work with. There may be substitutes available, but people are going to have to learn how to work with them and pay for them. Lead has been banned in Yellowstone for a while now. I've got some lead free shot to use when I'm out there and it is substantially larger than lead shot. Also, the lead wire I've got for weighting flies is easy to work with and cheap. I don't know that the same can be said of alternatives. |
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| See the attached link for an article about lead in bullets. I guess it doesn't make sense to shoot a deer with lead bullets, and then eat the meat that contains microscopic, undetectable particles of lead.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/03/04/green.bullets/index.html
Brian
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