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| Not asking if it works....I'm wondering what to use? I've used Bass scent before but I'm wondering if you have other ideas. I'd also like to hear about soaking a Reef Hawg in a container.... | |||
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| Something I have been pondering to try is a chunk of pork rind on a bucktail...just to see if something happens. They say pork is great for bass...why not skis? If anyone has tried this, please post. I would love to hear good or bad. Steve | |||
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| Steve, Check out my article entitled "Shake, Rattle, and Roll" on the ERC website. I discuss scent and soaking reef hawgs in that article. As for WHAT scent to use... I would think anything made from real FISH would work. Fish slime, fish parts, concentrated fish stink from a bottle, or whatever. Dick Pearson discussed taking fish parts from the commercial fisherman on LOTW and using that (I've done that too but it is messy). My buddy had good luck with a concoction of some bottled bass scent and 7-up. Good luck and please share your magic recipe if you find one!!!! | |||
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| When would a muskie use its sense of smell when feeding in a natural environment? The fact that I cant come up with a good answer for that question forces me to belive that scents arnt worth the time. But if I had to guess at YOUR question I would say WD-40. It is fish oil based. And works great for CARP! (shut up, BUBBA) MUSKY ILLINI "Put your left leg down - your right leg up Tilt your head back - let's finish the cup" | |||
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| Jason- I can't think of any reason a Muskie would'nt respond to scent. If nothing else it would re-enforce that the bait is food. It's well known fact that N. Pike love dead smelt (oily-smelly bait). I can't see why Muskie wouldn't like a little fish blood & guts! Al www.icantplayfindmyfoot.com | |||
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| One more thing you can try is a Berkley Power Bait twister tail. They have an extra strong version called Tournament strength. I sometimes put the body of the twister tail on the shank of my trebles if the tail will screw up the action of the bait. | |||
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| Just a follow up to Musky Illini....in Alaska a healthy percentage of the king salmon guides would spray there lures with WD40 everytime they checked them. Many swore by the stuff. BrianW | |||
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| yes pork rind should work and ive also heard guys swear by wd40! never tried it though. i have heard great things about berkely power bait walleye formula!! i got a couple bottles and am very anxious to use it this spring. i also read somewhere to put grubs or lures in a ziploc bag of walleye entrails and stick it under the boat seat overnight or all day...!i bet that works... | |||
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| I'm not a pro but have a response - I've been using Berkley Power Baits on my bucktails for quite some time now, and I think it helps. I'll often use a power leach because it has more bulk than the smaller twister tails. I never use a spray or dippins because I want my tails to dry quickly and completely in storage, with minimal erosion to the hooks. | |||
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| VMS, I have used pork rind on both bucktails and jerkbaits. I guess I normally start out without it, but if I feel the action is a little slow I'll throw on a peice of porkrind. It's amazing how often I'll see more more fish trying to hit it. I have seen muskies quite a few times following the bucktail just nipping at the porkrind, a change in direction or speed should entice these fish to hit it, or just come back in 20 min. and they'll be a little more eager to eat your bait. So do I think porkrind helps? Absolutely, but I normally try without it first. | |||
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| Scent......WHY NOT!!! Muskies are difficult at best, and the more instinctive "triggers" you can trip the better your odds are of hooking up. Although scent certainly is not a primary feeding sense for the muskie, it certainly would reinforce feeding behavior by adding another element of realism to the presentation of bait. And by the way Mr. Illini, all you need for carp is a BIG treble hook. Bubba | |||
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| Lots of information out there on fish olfaction (smell). Looks like the secret behind brewing up an effective potion is amino acid (protien). Lots of extremely detailed papers out there that I can't make sense of, but Dr. Bruno Broughton seems to have an interesting viewpoint on the use of scents in the angling world. Check it out. http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/bruno05.htm | |||
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| I've tried a good number of scents, both Dr. Juice, and Berkley make a concoction that they claim will cause the muskies to jump in the boat. Most of my efforts have been after I've seen a fish and I'm trying to convience it that the lure I'm using smells like food. I've caught an occasional fish using scent, but then I've also caught an occasional fish not using scent, so I would guess that it's pretty hard to tell if it helps or not. I would guess that unless you are using something that completely repeles muskies at least it won't hurt. I don't remember the details, but a while ago someone had a post on one of the boards (I think it was Herbie of Eagle Lake fame) who had somehow spilt gas all over his lures. The next week he had fabulous fishing so who knows. Back when there are commercial fishing on the Minnesota side of the LOTWs, I would go to the fishery and buy both dead suckers, and dead tullibees, and have them rigged for casting. Whenever I would have a follow using a lure I would cast out a sucker or a tullibee (the ultimate toss-back lure, and what smells more like a fish than a fish?) Again, once in a while I would catch the fish, but I don't think my success was much different than tossing out a Suick, or a Harasser, so even a real fish as a lure don't mean that the fish will bite. Many times they would follow, just like they do a lure, and go round and round on the figure-8, never to quite commit. I don't think that scent as an attraction is as important to muskies as it is to some species. But, no doubt they use every sense they have if it will put food in their belly, or help them find a mate. Doug Johnson | |||
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| A Guide from the Eagle River area (No Names!)once told me he used Chicken skin on all his Bucktails. He said it worked great,I'll let you decide. As for me I'll stick to putting the chicken on the Grill. [:bigsmile:] TR | |||
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| "PREDATOR SCENT".....IT'S MADE FROM NATURAL FISH /PREY OILS AND HAS SOME FLASH TO IT AS WELL. THE IDEA OF USING SCENT SEEMS TO BE CATCHING ON(I'VE USED IT FOR 15 YRS) AND ALSO USE SCENT KILLER ON MY HANDS BEFORE I EVEN TOUCH MY BAITS. I HAVE USED MANY DIFFERENT SCENTS OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE FOUND IT TO BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE, ESPECIALLY IN LAKES THAT ARE CONSIDERED DIFFICULT. THEY EVENTUALLY BECOME "CONDITIONED" BY ALL THE PRESSURE AND IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE IT PRESENTS A REALISTIC PRESENTATION THAT TRIGGERS MORE STRIKES THAN FOLLOWS. | |||
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| Has any buddy heard of rubbing rubarb on lures I read this in outdoor news once | |||
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| One thing that I have always felt with scent is this: The more a lure catches fish, the more fish the lure catches.... I have found that there is always some sort of fish scent (natural) that stays with the bait. When the bait gets slimed, it works as an attractant. I have had two lures of the same exact design and color, and the one that has caught fish will out produce the one that has not. So...if your boat gets slimed, rub the lure in it!! Steve | |||
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| Hee, hee. [:bigsmile:] I've been to quiet about this scent issue. The first six experimental batches of "ESOX Maniac's Magic Potion" are sitting here waiting for bottles and field tester's. Each one is a little bit different. No artificial ingredients. This is the real stuff + will not spoil if left in the boat. In fact I don't recommend refrigeration. However, it should be stored tightly capped. This stuff will make Mr. Cady's dead bullhead seem like a mild encounter. A couple spritzes in the old heater duct is sure to cause some livid loud foul language and a trip to the truck dealer for a trade-in. ( not to give anyone idea's). Heck a little spritz behind your ear & your wife will swear you were fishing for a month w/ no bath & sleeping with the fish, i.e., instead of frolicking at the strip club.... So anyone up for some field testing? I'm looking for 10 willing soul's. The only conditions are you have to give me a report on your field observations and a photo of any fish caught using it and if all is sucessful, I reserve the right to use your photo's in promoting the product if it proves to work as anticipated. I've been thinking hard about the issue of triggering neutral fish for a long time now, a good scent may just be the ticket. Email me w/ contact info and breif summary of your Muskie fishing profile, i.e., how long you've been fishing Muskies & how much time you spend chasing them. I reserve the right to select the final 10. I will provide the product free + pay shipping to the 10 field testers. Test period is 2002 Muskie season. Each field tester will intially recieve two different batch samples for testing. When those run out, the next sample will be two other's, etc. All batches have been concocted/scientifically produced to exact recipes to enable full scale manufacturing of the best recipe. Maybe there's a better recipe for Muskie versus Pike. Heck try it on your walleye & bass jigs. But I'm primarily interested in the effect as observed during your Muskie encounter's. I will send each a field tester's report instructions, format and non-disclosure (for those of you that have access to "gaschromonograph's" & the like [:0] ) And yes at the end of the season we'll compile the results and post them here to the MF Research Section. If anyone has a good source for some really tough 3->4 fl oz plastic bottles please also send me an Email. My Email address is [email protected] Al Warner www.icantplayfindmyfoot.com | |||
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| Doug, it was Herbie that had the gas smell. A bad storm came through and sank his boat. So gas and oil mixed in with his baits. I was there and it wasn't pretty. The next week, and I wasn't there, he said it was magic. But then again he is a magician. My boss swears by skunk scent. He only throws Skunk Tails and sprays skunk scent on them. He catches fish when others don't. Right place at the right time or is it the scent? He says it is the scent. He gave me a couple of his older baits and as soon as they get wet, you can smell them. It is also good for keeping other boats away from you. [:bigsmile:] | |||
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| Hey Al, can you toss us any feedback from the field on your product? Is it working? Give us something to sniff!!! I can't wait till the end of the season to hear the results. | |||
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| jlong- First samples went out Thursday (Tester's the samples went out 2-3 day US Postal service, you should have mail Saturday.) Had a heck of a time finding some quality bottles to put the stuff in. Hope to hear some reports in about two weeks or so. (I've been tied down w/ work so time on water has been miserable. Besides, my son has the boat (Esox Maniac)up on Turtle Flambeau Flowage right now. But I did get a new 7' Fenwick Muskie rod for father's day. + + plus he didn't even ask to use any of my Muskie tackle, except my "Hot Pink Hooker" (ToddM custom spinner). Al Warner | |||
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