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| john skarie - 10/1/2008 9:20 AM
It's completely understandable that responses to different views is emotional as well as rational.
What isn't understandable, is why those emotions are then targeted to the individual, ie where they are from, who they are etc.
Attacking the messenger does not make your opinion right and their opinion wrong.
It just shows how disrespectful you are towards those that don't agree with you.
JS
John, you and I often disagree about things. That post, however, I agree with 100%.
That said, if everyone was to read what everyone else is really saying instead of what we think they mean, nobody is saying "trolling kills fish and trollers are lazy bad people".
I think its pretty clear that the consensus on the "shouldn't be allowed" crowd is basically this:
Opening up the lakes in Northern WI to trolling is opening the door to a POTENTIAL problem. Let's not oversimply that and try to villify it as a method. It's not the method that people have a problem with. It's putting that method in the hands of inexperienced people who otherwise would not fish for muskies,or those who would likely keep and or unintentionally kill muskies trolling because they don't know about catch and release. I'm not attacking trollers at all with that statement. I've done it, and it's kind of nice to be able to sit down and cover lots of water.
But in the hands of certain people (which Sled described VERY well), in a place with low size limits, on small lakes, that recieve no stocking, where you are allowed 3 lines per person?
And saying "trolling doesn't kill any more fish"... On a fish to fish basis, that's true. But what are your odds of catching fish running 6 lines trolling a steep break vs two guys each casting a single lure? The guys who understand trolling know what I mean when I say on certain lakes it could be a goldmine.
Which would be great if everyone knew what they were doing, understood the importance of releasing fish quickly and safely, and chose to do so.
So let me throw this out there, and lets hear from the guys like Sloan, Sled, et al who know this area well, and see what goes on day in and day out during the season:
What would it take to tip the scale in favor of trolling for you? Certain lakes only? Increased size limits? More stocking? Limitations to the number of lines?
And does anyone really think allowing trolling with the way the other regulations are currently structured has no potential for harm? |
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Location: Contrarian Island | 150 replies that will change nothing or anyones opinion...sorry this thread is a waste of time...the law is never going to change. would I like it if the law was maybe changed? well at what cost? I like having a sucker down and casting. no way i want a 1 line per person. Are there lakes I wouldn't want trolling allowed, yes, but there are a few I'd be the first in line at the boat launch if it ever changed. Just don't EVER see it happening in my lifetime....but hey if you guys are having fun keep at it...me, i'm going fishing. maybe i'll even troll today.
and Sled spends 10x more time on the golf course than the water up there..what does he know... ; )
Edited by MSKY HNR 10/1/2008 10:29 AM
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Location: Hastings, mn, 55033 | "nobody is saying "trolling kills fish and trollers are lazy bad people".
EA read back through this ENTIRE thread, and that is EXACTLY what some have said(ok maybe not the "bad people" part but definitely the lazy fish killing part). Whatever your opinion is that much is INDISPUTABLE. |
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Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI | "sorry this thread is a waste of time...the law is never going to change."
Ding Ding Ding.....we have a winner.
I RESPECTFULLY say that people's opinions from other states have zero effect on what the WDNR is going to do. On the same note, either does Wisconsin residents opinions.
If memory serves, trolling has passed the CC vote up in Vilas on one or more occasions, but those votes didn't matter either. Steve, you remember this at all?
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| Gander Mt Guide - 10/1/2008 10:38 AM
"sorry this thread is a waste of time...the law is never going to change."
Ding Ding Ding.....we have a winner.
I RESPECTFULLY say that people's opinions from other states have zero effect on what the WDNR is going to do. On the same note, either does Wisconsin residents opinions.
If memory serves, trolling has passed the CC vote up in Vilas on one or more occasions, but those votes didn't matter either. Steve, you remember this at all?
It will depend on how the economy goes...if Vilas county needs the money...I would bet this could change pretty quick. |
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| esox1, if "tradition is what it's all about", then I expect that everyone in your club stands in shallow water trying to spear fish with sharpened sticks. Surely you don't use boats, rods, reels, etc, right? 'Cause if you do anything beyond wooden spears, well, you would be little more than self-rightous hypocrits who personify "tradition" as tactics that are convenient to you at the moment.
Zing!
Edited by Ranger 10/1/2008 4:23 PM
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| I know this is off the beaten path that this thread has taken but if we look at the legal trolling lakes in NW WI such as Grindstone, Cout Orielles, Round they are all pretty much big acreage lakes. Im all for opening up trolling on the larger bodies of water in Vilas and Oneida such as Tomahawk, Trout, North Twin, Lac Du Flambeau but then protect these lakes with the 50 inch size limit as they have done in the NW lakes. I think this is alot more legitimate then trying to allow trolling on a 200 acre lake that doesnt have the room for both.
My two cents.
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