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| are we overhandling muskies. photo ops and hat changes in warm waters???
whats your thoughts on musky inc adapting their deal with the most fish. on st clair we have a 44 minimum. why not have lake minimum sizes for pics. not the 30 or 32 inch deal. it would stress less fish.. awards seem to be bypassing the fisherys.. does anyone else have these thoughts. |
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| nope .. no thoughts like that here |
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Location: NYC (and many weeks in MN during summer) | huh, it's not the 32inch fish that's gonna get stressed from a pic, it's gonna be grandma
Rg
Edited by NYmuskyhunter 7/27/2008 8:27 AM
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Location: Yahara River Chain | woodieb8 - 7/27/2008 5:46 AM
are we overhandling muskies. photo ops and hat changes in warm waters???
Hat changes????? Who in the heck does this???
Its usually the ones 1st starting out that wants to get pictures of 30ish size fish. Let them. You were the same way when you 1st started out (if you tell that's not true who kidding who?). If they are with me, then I will instruct them on what to do and quickly. But I don't think we (guys that have been doing this forever) should "set rules" and then that brings up the issue of enforcement. And just how are we going do that???
Noble concerns, but realistically not really doable. They will still take pictures and I don't think this does anything to prevent over handling. |
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| I thought it was bad for MI to except tail pinching and 1/4" increments.For a club promoting proper handling of fish they just aloud more handling of fish??Bob |
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Location: East Troy, WI | so when my girl friend caught her first muskie after trying for 4 years... i should have just threw it back with out a quick photo? |
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Location: Iowa Great Lakes | I still take pics of ever one I catch, not for anything more than having something someday to reflect back on when I can no longer pursue this fine fish. Each one caught be it a 30" or a 50"+ is a trophy, when you dont see every one as such its time to give it up. |
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Location: East Troy, WI | i personally believe overhandling can be done to ANY fish not just a 50" or a 32" muskie. the same treatment should be done to any size fish, net it, unhook it quickly as possible, cut hooks if needed, keep the head down in the water and the fish right side up, measure it in the net, and take it out of the net quick photo or 2 and back in the water... and to be sure it was an accurate measurement use a measuring stick while its waiting to swim away.
taking a picture of a 30" something fish isn't over handling. |
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| if you are going to be that concerned about "overhandling" fish, don't fish for musky in the summer...I tried to stop, but I can't help it...but I'm a quick release kinda guy |
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Location: Michigan | To me, a good example of over handling muskie would be the live weigh-in tournaments on St. Clair. Very unnecessary in my opinion.
Nothing wrong with a quick photo session, no matter what size the fish.
Edited by Slimeball 7/27/2008 1:29 PM
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Location: Kodiak, AK | Slimeball - 7/27/2008 2:22 PM
To me, a good example of over handling muskie would be the live weigh-in tournaments on St. Clair. Very unnecessary in my opinion.
Nothing wrong with a quick photo session, no matter what size the fish.
Agreed. Alot of boats have the livewells and such, but it's still stress on the fish even if no slime comes off. I'm not anti-tournament and I don't have anything against them, but I don't fish them. It's just not my thing. And I'll not say that it kills fish or that it's harmful to the fishery, but a fish being hauled in and transported for a weigh in stresses the fish more than my taking it out of the water once or twice for pictures. All of my hook removal and measuring is in the water, and I don't weigh pike and muskie. That's not to imply tournaments are evil, but rather that proper pictures are the least of a muskie's concerns when it comes to survivability. They've got landing nets, deep hooks, thrashing around in the boat and improper holds to contend with before a three second vertical hold comes into play.
But I've been told on other boards I'm too new and inexperienced to have an opinion and that I should keep it to myself, so take this with a grain of salt.
But I think one or two pictures with properly held and supported fish are perfectly fine.
Jeff
Edited by esoxfly 7/27/2008 3:35 PM
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| rjjones - 7/27/2008 9:26 AM
I thought it was bad for MI to except tail pinching and 1/4" increments.For a club promoting proper handling of fish they just aloud more handling of fish??Bob
In the Muskies Inc. By-Laws and Policies Handbook, Page #46, 1-A, it states the following: "The significance of getting down to the exact measurement, that being a quarter of an inch for the majority of Muskie captures is a moot point. Please think of the Muskies well being for these captures. During the season when we have very warm temperatures, the safety of the Muskie becomes much more important than closing in on the nearest quarter of an inch."
It states that members are free to round off to the nearest inch, and that even though measuring Muskies in the water is not an exact science, it is encouraged and accepted.
Chapter rules and regulations for their own tournaments may vary, but the concern for the well being of the fish is always top priority.
Later this summer the Muskies Inc. Chapter Challunge will be held in Minnesota, with people coming from all over the country to attend. It takes place over three days, and a photo is NOT required. MI is currently, and has always operated under the philosophy of putting the health of the fish first. You seem to be misinformed.
As far as photos, most are done quickly with no ill effects to the fish. Most. I have seen a guy fishing with his buddies catch a mid-thirties fish, and all three of them had their picture taken with it. That was after they struggled to remove the hooks while the fish was on the boat floor. I'm as sure the fish didn't survive, as I am that they were not Muskies Inc. members. |
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