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C_Nelson |
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Posts: 578 Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | So "Guest", what is the difference between a licensed captain getting paid to take people out and someone else taking friends out and operating the boat? Who ever is operating the boat, whether a licensed captain or not, is responsible for the safe operation of their boat, the safety of their guests and the safety of others on the water. It does not matter if it is a licensed captain who gets in an accident or "Joe Blow" regular guy who gets in an accident, they both will have the authorities crawling up their nether regions as to why the accident happend and if alcohol was involved at all. A licensed captain has a whole heck of a lot more to have taken away than the average boater does. It was mentioned that maybe people should have to have a license before they can operate a boat. That is a smoking good idea. Too many boaters have no clue on how to safely operate a boat. I actually taught a guy and his wife how to operate their 40' cruiser because they almost put it on the rocks in Port Washington. I got hooked up with them in Manitowoc and the guy hired me to teach him all about the safe operation of his boat. How twin screws worked. How you could spin the boat in a circle without it really moving forward at all. Docking the boat by driving it in the slip or backing it in the slip. Pretty much everything with boat handling. It is sad that there is no special training on any boats. They are a water craft/vehicle that a person can jump into and injure/kill others with. Same goes with snowmobiles, ATV's, motorcycles, everything. Some people are just idiots and it won't sink in though no matter what and they should not be given any licenses at all. Most people buy a boat and don't know the first thing about boating. Most people can't tell you the rules of the road. Do you know which side of the boats two meeting vessels should pass on? When two boats are crossing pathes, who has the right of way? When encountering red and green bouys most people know to go between them, but most don't know what the bouys fully tell you. Having people consume alcohol on your boat is no big deal. You, as the boat operator, are responsible for their safety though whether a licensed captain or not. It is like being at a party, drinking, driving and killing a family. The authorities will not only go after the people driving, but also those who were having that party. ToothyCritter stated, "I can’t imagine trolling for salmon all day long on Lake Michigan without having a few beers as a guest on a charter boat. I like to go with friends, crack a few brews & laugh it up while waiting for the next bite." If charter clients want to have a beer or two or three or whatever when I am the captain, knock themselves out. I know that most all charters have in their rules whether stated in their brochures or on their website about drinking. "Consume alcohol in moderation. Excessive drinking can ruin the trip for everyone. The captain has the right to return the charter to the dock and no refund of the charter will be given." This is an example of what a charter may have. I know I did and people respected that. I had no problem getting clients and they all had a good time. Okay, here is a situation. When I take people out, at least one other person on-board knows how to safely handle the boat. Why? Because if something happend to me, they could get us in. I would rather not have to rely on some drunk friend to try to get me back to the dock to save my happy butt. Friends watch out for friends. Guest stated, "And to the socialists, again, please don't try to save me from myself." Guest, I honestly don't care what you do to yourself. Take a gun and play Russian Roulette for all I care. Just don't take that gun and point it at me. With you drinking and operating a boat, that is exactly what you are doing. You want to go boating and drink as a guest on a boat? Have at it. "I also like taking a mid day break on a muskie trip to grill out, have a few beers & get the low down from the group. If I have 2 or even 3 beers with a steak sandwich, a hot dog, chips & some cheese during the break. Would you not allow me to go back out on the water?" I would rather you not operate a boat after that ToothyCritter. I know I would not get in the boat with you after that. Baldeaglefisherman, I would suggest you visit a morgue after a boating accident and then post here. Why don't you ask the husband in Rhinelander that had to bury his wife because HE killed her in a boating accident on Boom Lake? HE had been drinking and HE was operating the boat and it was HIS fault. Can you tell that ignorant people and people that don't give a rats behind about others safety gets under my skin? Some laws are stupid, but then there are laws like this that are for the safety of others. I would venture to guess that a police, a mounty, or whoever would not really care if you were drunk and and did something to yourself, but when you COULD hurt others, then the line has been crossed. Guides and captains that choose to drink while working should have their licenses revoked and NEVER allowed to get them back. If they are caught while not working, they should have their licenses revoked as well. That is plain foolish and irresponsible behavior on their part. Chuck | ||
| C_Nelson |
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Posts: 578 Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI | "Guest" stated, "Chuck, please explain to me the difference between operating a boat under the legal BAC limit a) with no beer in hand; and b) with beer in hand. No difference. As soon as you cross the BAC legal limit, everything changes. Let's see your best try." Is this a challenge? I LOVE challenges. From how you are stating things, I have an idea of who "guest" is. I could be wrong though. I just wish "guest" had the fortitude to stand up and post who they really are. I LOVE controversy. The difference is, no one, and I me NO ONE, knows exactly how alcohol of any amount is going to affect them. From one beer/shot/glass of wine or 10. You don't know when, or if, the effects of alcohol consumption are going to show. One day you might have a beer and feel "funny". Another day you might have 10 and feel fine. You don't know, so why even think about taking the chance and possibly killing others? If you want to kill yourself, good, go ahead and make my day. "The number of drinks consumed is a very poor measure of intoxication largely because of variation in physiology and individual alcohol tolerance. However, it is generally accepted that the consumption from sober of two standard drinks (containing a total of 20 grams) of alcohol will increase the average person's BAC roughly 0.05% (a single standard drink consumed each hour after the first two will keep the BAC at approximately 0.05%), but there is much variation according to body weight, sex, and body fat percentage. Furthermore, neither BAC nor the number of drinks consumed are necessarily accurate indicators of the level of impairment. Tolerance to alcohol varies from one person to another, and can be affected by such factors as genetics, adaptation to chronic alcohol use, and synergistic effects of drugs." Beer in hand/no beer in hand it does not matter, if you have been drinking at all, don't get behind the wheel. Again, it comes down to all people are affected differently at different times with varying amounts of alcohol and they DO NOT know what those affects will be. I know that if I am angry when I get drunk, I am a nasty drunk. If I am in a good mood when I get drunk, I am a good drunk. My most recent time drinking was with Tuffdaddy. 3 shots of Irish Whiskey and many, many cervezas later I could still walk fine; but I would not have gotten behind the wheel even after the first beer. I am not against drinking as I used to be able to drink with the best of them. I just believe that no one should get behind the wheel of any vehicle/water craft after any amount of alcohol. Chuck | ||
| lambeau |
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| in all things, moderation. most days i take a 6-pack of beers out in the boat with me and my partner (where legal). usually, there's 3 or 4 left in the cooler when we get back to the dock. if i choose to have a beer during a break from casting or during lunch, that's my legal and responsible prerogative. simply having a drink is not the same as operating under the influence. it's each person's individual responsibility to make sure that they're fully capable at all times to operate their boat in a safe manner. over-indulging in alcohol can make things unsafe, so can driving too fast on an unfamiliar lake, or driving too close to other boaters. if someone operates a boat in an unsafe fashion, they should face the full penalties under the law - including losing the right to operate any vehicles. someone who wants to enjoy a beer or two during a day on the water and can do so in a responsible manner? imho, that's legally and socially appropriate. have fun and be safe. again, in all things, moderation. | |||
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