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Location: Hudson, WI | Madmanmusky - 4/24/2008 6:40 PM
Miltona IS my home lake and have had it hard in the past with the No more Musky's group and the lakes assc. And the battle is still going on with spearing issues,,,,, And By the way Miltona has Heavy Fishing Pressure not just Brad Or greg...
My wife's family lives on Miltona, I fished original Cowgirl prototypes on that lake in 2004 before they were available for purchase courtesy of Joe Renner. No, for the size and quality of fish, you get NO musky pressure. I do feel for you though, it's a shame the way the walleye guys want to run the muskies out of there. Definetely get the evil eye on the Main Lake Reef trying to find a run without walleye boats in your way. I would love to know how many they kill and dump. |
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| I've never kept a fish but I don't care if someone else does. The exception is taking a big mamma out of a small lake, she's a top spawner and we want her genetics swimming around.
I knew a guy who speared 5 40+" pike from a 80 acre lake in two days. He and I had a chat about that one and he responded very well. He really didn't realize his potential impact on the pike population. |
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Location: On your favorite spot | I can deal with reality, people keep fish. And I'd love to join the group of guys still hearing about Art Lyons record 10 years from now and knowing it was broken, I'd also like to be the only one on Miltona with Hoppe. Wish in one hand and $___ in the other.
Beats a boring day at work with no threads to read.
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Location: Musky Country | Moltisanti - 4/24/2008 7:32 PM
Madmanmusky - 4/24/2008 6:40 PM
Miltona IS my home lake and have had it hard in the past with the No more Musky's group and the lakes assc. And the battle is still going on with spearing issues,,,,, And By the way Miltona has Heavy Fishing Pressure not just Brad Or greg...
My wife's family lives on Miltona, I fished original Cowgirl prototypes on that lake in 2004 before they were available for purchase courtesy of Joe Renner. No, for the size and quality of fish, you get NO musky pressure. I do feel for you though, it's a shame the way the walleye guys want to run the muskies out of there. Definetely get the evil eye on the Main Lake Reef trying to find a run without walleye boats in your way. I would love to know how many they kill and dump.
Well I'am good friends with brad and help Carrie build baits, And fish Miltona About 5 days a week so I kinda know What fishing pressure on the lake is.
Heres a 50+ I reported Last Spring
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| I'm confused. I see less bickering here compared to other sites. My question would be what happened to the funny stories or threads that are a little off topic that guys used to post? That's what I think might be missing. A little humor is always in order. Is the price of growth a lack of familiarity and thus redundancy? Where's the love?
All muskies and no play makes Jack a dull boy, and who wants Jack Nicholson trying to chop your head off with an ax through your computer screen while he's screaming "Here's Johnny, you &*#@%$ fish killer."
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Location: Beaver County, Pennsylvania | http://www.fish.state.pa.us/pafish/musky/ab_articles/2003nov_dec/00...
read this article about a musky master from pa.....an absolute great guy....i like to think this fish was a state record safely returned to the water.....i really don't know for sure what i would do. |
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Location: Rhinelander. | Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Its not like muskies are on the endangerd list. A record is a record and something to be proud of. I will also say if you don't keep it and say how big it was you'll get critizied heavily on the measurement.
You can't win here so make yourself happy,after all your the who has to live with it. I'd keep it for sure. I'd not feel bad about it either after all the years fishing them and all I have released.
Anyone can buy a billy bass!
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Ulbian,
Next time you want to debate things 'Muskie' in the abstract, address your comment to me. I'm all over that. So are a few others here, but we have far more visiting here than you might think, and many are new or somewhat inexperienced to the sport or just plain not willing to take on a subject matter as 'deep' as one you might find challenging.
Some may actually need answers as to what surface bait to throw under what conditions, and it's our goal to see they get answers, from peers. Like lambeau said, our visitors ARE our content on the boards to a large degree.
I see what Adam/Moltisanti is saying here, and he's indicating what is and will be for some time a serious rift in our little society; some feel NO muskie should ever be harvested for ANY reason, some feel no BIG muskie should ever be harvested for any reason, some believe in conservation and CPR to the large degree, but feel an occasional harvest of a record fish is acceptable, and some feel that harvest is and can be used as a management tool in some places, and is totally acceptable in what is a completely renewable resource situation.
Some are indeed educators, and reasonably desire to instill new values in all who will listen to their teachings. Some are soap box speakers, and are a bit more insistent, commanding all passer-bys to stop and accept what they say as truth. others might be out on the edge of extreme, and insist with rude, belligerent and sometimes violent rhetoric that all WILL accept the doctrine Muskie they preach from what is obviously to them to be a pious and unarguable position.
Pretty much the norm with Grey between the three in any argument that has all the foibles between the science and biology and the reality us 'other' folks feel should be. Who's right? What's reality, scientifically speaking, considering all the variables? All three and all the folks in the Grey areas post here. If offered with respect and in a reasonable fashion, who are we, any of us, to insist any one of those folks has not a right to their point of view?
There, you might notice, is the rub.
All we can do is see to it all points of view reasonably offered get posting space, and any that are NOT reasonable and would generate only train wreck argument don't...therefore offering a place for reasonable debate and friendly if forceful(sometimes) argument opportunity.
Confused, it's not at all a bad thing to post a light hearted or enjoyable ( or perhaps extremely dry humored) post or two, as long as the many pitfalls of politics, sports, and religion sure to create a train wreck are avoided...of all, you are one of the best in that regard, and you should not allow anyone or anything to stand in the way of making us all targets of a good humored smack upside the head now and again.
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Location: Hudson, WI | Steve,
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Location: Cedarburg, Wisconsin | It doesn't matter if it is a record fish or not. What other people think is not important, repeat, NOT important. It is what YOU think that counts. You do what you want to and that is that. You don't need a cheering section in order to release a fish and you shouldn't be seeking other's permission to keep a fish. All you need is to do is make up your mind what YOU want and then do it. |
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Location: Washington, PA | First of all I can't believe i'm chiming in on this one.........but, my opinion is that the problem isn't a muskie fisherman keeping a once in a lifetime fish. The much bigger issue is the weekend angler (I use the term angler loosely) who catches a muskie, either harvests it, or hoists it up for pictures for ten minutes and then "releases" the fish. That's where education and conservation efforts should be focused. Just my opinion, therefore I don't get upset when someone chooses to keep their "one."
I've also seen more than a few instances of what I would call worse. An article in muskie magazine featuring someone who caught a 48" fish and tied the fish to a tree to wave a car down for a picture comes to mind. Anyway, records were made to be broken, I don't think i'd get all that upset about someone setting a new one. |
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| lambeau - 4/24/2008 4:23 PM
The discussions that used to be engaging over here have now been overshadowed and in alot of ways replaced by ones that are engaging in bickering.
our site IS our users.
sure, the staff try our best to "keep it between the lines", but the content is provided almost entirely by the participants, by you. expert, newbie, or somewhere inbetween, it's a melting pot.
online bickering is our collective weakest link, and imho, the best way to deal with it is to crowd it out with interesting and positive discussion.
sooo...if you'd like to see something more substantive than what you're seeing right now, stop complaining about it and DO something about it. each person can strive to be more substantive in your own posts and in your own responses to posts.
While I certainly do not disagree with anything in your post, Mr Winther, I do point out that it is often hard for a "noob" to jump in with a question without even the most gentle sould on this board ramming it down their throat. There are those, myself included, that can be forceful with the information that we present. we all can be at fault for that at times. We(collectively) are a passionate bunch of people about these grand creatures. There's absolutely no denying that sometimes carries to our demeanor on the boards.
Perhaps a tad more...discretion?...at the way one might go about answering some of the posts is sometimes due.
sworrall - 4/25/2008 1:13 AM
Pretty much the norm with Grey between the three in any argument that has all the foibles between the science and biology and the reality us 'other' folks feel should be. Who's right? What's reality, scientifically speaking, considering all the variables? All three and all the folks in the Grey areas post here. If offered with respect and in a reasonable fashion, who are we, any of us, to insist any one of those folks has not a right to their point of view?
There, you might notice, is the rub.
All we can do is see to it all points of view reasonably offered get posting space, and any that are NOT reasonable and would generate only train wreck argument don't...therefore offering a place for reasonable debate and friendly if forceful(sometimes) argument opportunity.
A perfectly legitimate statement, as well. However, I would again offer that it should not be up to a handful of people to determine what should and should not fly. It should, rather, be set upon the shoulders of each individual to do so. If you can't post it without seeing red, or you wait thirty minutes and read it again prior to hitting the "submit" button, well, it probably would do well to not be posted.
I'm a reasonably new guy here, all things considered, don't have any established relationships with anyone. I've met a guy or two face to face, and talked to several on the phone. Does that make me any less entitled to my view, or my experience? I don't believe it does. I would also not expect to see some of the more forceful posts be removed, either. (generally they are not, that's part of what I appreciate about it.)
I guess I make those small points because it is, after all, the internet. I would have a heavy heart if some of the attitudes represented here at times are those that you see in the boat.
Topic at hand: I think it was Lambeau that eluded to something along these lines, in regards to big fish: You can educate, you can congratulate. If one is kept, you can do the same, but there's nothing wrong at all with saying that "I wish he'd have released it." I think that's the line that gets crossed many times. I've been just as active a conservationist as many have, and I will, neither now, nor ever, claim the right to tell someone they cannot keep a fish. That, in and of itself, is ludicrous.
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