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| Not too many muskie lures in the color blue, but I have heard good things about the old color..Eddie blue![;)] |
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| Not many people fish deep water. |
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| Back in the 70s the big thing was the Color Selector + supposedly blue was the color seen the best the deepest...Rebel made a set of deep divers that came in a 4 or 5 pak w/ some bright colors, the blue seemed to be almost a bright royal shade...I may even still have one. Seems they were the blue, a red, an orange + even a weird green but it's been a long time since I had them so i can't remember....I plan to do some DEEP trolling in another few days on a 4 day weekend fishing trip but I don't think the color will make the difference...hopefully O can find some suspended fish/baitfish to hone in on![:sun:] |
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| Blue has been a good color on Leech. I think the color scheme of the Cisco has the bluish tint that makes blue a good color when this forage is present in a clear lake.
Good luck, Murph |
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| I might be wrong but I believe blue rays are the longest light rays,that why when you see a picture of divers underwater there is a predominat blue tint to everything,Like I said I may have this backwards |
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| I'm not sure I have this right either but here goes...
ROYGBV (Roy-Gee-Biv), red/orange/yellow/green/blue/voilet. This is the color sequence, meaning red is the first to go, violet is the last which has something to do with frequency or wavelenght? I remember this vaguely from high school, after that a lot of precious cells got "floated" away in college and were replaced with Agronomic stuff, like what dirt is made out of and what cows like to eat. I knew I should have majored in fisheries/wildlife.[:bigsmile:] [:bigsmile:] |
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| Blue is one of the shortest wavelengths, and penetrates very well to depths of up to 1000m in ocean environs or very clear fresh water.
Everything in the true depths takes on a grey to blue hue. Should the lure be blue?[:0] |
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| Steve- I think we need a MF field trail, i.e., you should start using deep divers w/shades of grey and I'll use blue. At end of season we compare and see which gets most attention from the toothy ones :-) :-) Heck that's no fair!!! You should just use bare treble w/ small piece of grey flannel.. nooooo that won't work either- maybe better to have you use bare hook and pretend there's a grey piece of flannel on it. YA! That's it!!! :-)) Blue is cool! Some of my encounter's w/ really big ESOX Lucius have been on "blue daredevil rattle spoon". Makes me wonder how many of the deep water trolling guru's are using blue and/or "Purple"?????????
Al Warner
www.icantplayfindmyfoot.com
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| HEY JASON,
MUSKIES HAVE CONE CELLS IN THEIR RETINAS WHICH GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO SEE COLORS, BUT NOT IN THE BLUE SPECTRUM. (BLUES AND PURPLES)WHICH PROBABLY APPEAR AS GREY BECAUSE THEIR ENVIRONMENT IS DOMINATED BY LONGER WAVELENGHTS OF LIGHT . THEY HAVE YELLOW LENS/CORNEA THAT HELPS TO FILTER OUT SHORTER WAVELENGTHS WHICH ARE EVEN FURTHER REDUCED AT TWILIGHT BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT TRANSMISSION IN FRESHWATER. THE OPTIC TECTUM(IN THE OPTIC TECTAL LOBES OF THE MIDBRAIN) WHICH DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE VISUAL PROCESSING SEEMS TO BE INVOLVED IN ORGANIZATION OF "ORIENTATING" RESPONSE ASSISTED BY THE LATERAL LINE(TURNING TOWARDS IT'S PREY) RATHER THAN ANALYSIS OF FORM OR SHAPE AS WE DO.
TAKE CARE,
KAREN |
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| Karen, thanks for the input. I've read Dr. John New's paper that says muskies do not have cone cells in the blue region. However, I've seen other literature that says they DO have the third set of cones in the blue region. Who should we believe? This is why I question whether it depends on where the test specimen was taken. Could it be that a musky sampled from very dark, stained water that has evolved as a shallow water creature would NOT have cone cells capable of detecting blue light? And what about a musky taken from a lake with gin clear water that may have evolved as a deeper living creature? Could those fish have three cone cells like the majority of fish species? I'm not sure, but something to consider.
The ultimate scapegoat for why BLUE is an effective color for muskies really doesn't matter what cone cells a musky has. Bottom line, a musky's eye is dominated with ROD cells that are sensitive to light intensity. A blue lure reflects more light than a grey lure.... which means it will stimulate the RODS more effectively. Rods are what create peripheral vision... a critical aspect of getting your lure noticed.
So, no matter what the biological make-up of the musky's eye truly is, Blue can have its advantages. Do I use blue... you bet. Do I rely on blue... not a chance. These are muskies.... anything goes. But, when I'm trying to be logical about my color selection or simply need some confidence when times are tough... blue may be just what I (and maybe the fish) need.
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| HEY JLONG,
I AGREE! I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITIONS THEY WERE TESTED IN AND ALSO BELIEVE BLUE IS AN EFFECTIVE COLOR! I ALSO THINK PURPLE IS A GREAT CHOICE TOO! I HAVE BOTH IN MY ARSENAL AND HAVE HAD GREAT SUCESS WITH BOTH! I ALSO HEARD SOME FRIENDS WERE POUNDING MONSTER WALLEYE'S ON VIEUX DESERT USING "BLUE" FLOATING JIGS THIS PAST SEASON.....
WHO WOULD'VE GUESSED???
IF YOU ARE GONNA BE IN MADISON FOR THE PMTT TOURNAMENT IN MAY LET ME KNOW AND I'LL BRING YOU SOME JIGS AND A BLUE KAHUNA!!! WE'LL DO A LITTLE "FIELD TESTING" AND SEE FOR OURSELVES!!
THANKS FOR SHARING THE INFO,
KAREN |
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| Maybe I missed something (I often do) but if blue is one of the last to go in low light penetration situations, then wouldn't it be good up shallow in dark stained water since light doesn't penetrate as deep...in 10' of dark water, it will just be black like all the others at that depth in that kind of water but up shallow, it will reflect back more than some others?
In clear water, it is good deep because, again, it's one of the last colors to disappear in low light penetration situations.
Isn't this really just the same thing in the big picture and we're only adjusting depths where it's productive as it relates to water type/clarity and light penetration?
Regardless, I fish blue in both situations and I catch fish so I keep throwing the color.
There are better colors though so don't start buying blue lures just because you read it here! [:devil:]
Jono
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| Jono, no you didn't miss anything. Your summary pretty much nailed it on the head. There are no "best" colors... but there is a way of THINKING about color that may help us select the more productive color for a given application/condition. I don't think we will start a craze for blue lures just because this post suggests it has a time and place for producing fish.... however hopefully it will help people think about color selection and realize that you can never have too many colors in your box. Is having lots of different colors a necessity... nope.... but it is a luxury that we can take advantage of at times.
We catch muskies for much bigger reasons than the color of our lure (like LOCATION).... but sometimes the finer points of our presentations can make the difference between a missed opportunity and a golden opportunity. It can't hurt to try and make a method to this madness.... Thanks for pointing out that blue and puple can be a hot color even in "dark" water.
Karen, keep sharing your ideas. That is the point of this message board. There are no right or wrong answers when it come to musky fishing (thank god, or I'd look like an idiot). I won't be at any of the PMTT events this year, so you will have to do the field study without me. Hope the results put you in the money! Good Luck. |
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Jono, no you didn't miss anything. Your summary pretty much nailed it on the head. There are no "best" colors... but there is a way of THINKING about color that may help us select the more productive color for a given application/condition. I don't think we will start a craze for blue lures just because this post suggests it has a time and place for producing fish.... however hopefully it will help people think about color selection and realize that you can never have too many colors in your box. Is having lots of different colors a necessity... nope.... but it is a luxury that we can take advantage of at times.
We catch muskies for much bigger reasons than the color of our lure (like LOCATION).... but sometimes the finer points of our presentations can make the difference between a missed opportunity and a golden opportunity. It can't hurt to try and make a method to this madness.... Thanks for pointing out that blue and puple can be a hot color even in "dark" water.
Karen, keep sharing your ideas. That is the point of this message board. There are no right or wrong answers when it come to musky fishing (thank god, or I'd look like an idiot). I won't be at any of the PMTT events this year, so you will have to do the field study without me. Hope the results put you in the money! Good Luck.
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THANKS......I HOPE SO TOO![;)]
ALSO, I CAN'T SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION ON THIS BOARD! I'M NOT AN "EXPERT". I'M JUST A GIRL THAT'S BEEN "HOOKED", AND I THANK ALL WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS BOARD!
TAKE CARE,
KAREN |
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| Thanks Jason.
Keep up the great work, I always look forward to your two bits.
Jono
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