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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Now that is some great stuff Steve.
Another reason MuskieFirst is the leading authourity in inovation on websites.
Just huge stuff in my mind for the public to learn from. If you have not checked out the link you should. That rumbler is loud. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Every bait we can get out hands on...eventually. |
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| Wow, very cool steve. Didn't know that the creeper would be that loud.I like it ,keep up the good work.
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | Just saw the link, and I stand by my first comment. This is cool! I as well am suprised at how loud the creeper was. I thought the loudest out of the bunch. Looks like the creeper would be actually good at calling fish up from a distance. Hmmm, suspended fishing maybe? |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Very cool stuff. Some of those baits seemed loud enough that I could see a fish hitting them just to make the darn thing be quiet! I would be interested to hear what some jerkbaits, crankbaits, and bucktails sound like too. Can't wait to see and hear more.
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Location: Mpls, MN | Love to hear the difference between the Hawg Wobbler and the Wolly Pog. Interesting stuff. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | A short clip of what the produced pieces will look like is now up. It's not as polished as the final work will be, but you will be able to see what Keith, Norm, and I will be producing. |
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| I think this is interesting topic. Think of sounds as audio "colors" if you will. Each bait has its own hues and tones. You doubters out there - you have more than one color of bait don't you?
Just as with paints, there are likely "audio patterns" that my emerge.
clink-clink-CLANK is much different than CLANK-CLANK-FZZZZ.
How does this translate to baits? I'm just brainstorming here but lets say someone is able to establish a sound classification system and make it practical for manufactureres to reliably classify their baits, we then have another dimension to experiment with.
Have you ever been throwing the same bait as a buddy but the buddy is getting more action? Maybe it's their action, or placement but maybe, just maybe, there's an audio factor involved.
Manufacturers could vary the material composition (esp. in plastics) to control / vary the "audio color" of their bait.
Look at Heiting's "Gretzky" lure (I think it was his) - what was diffent about that bait? He'd thrown others that looked the same - but didn't get the similar results.
Perhaps, there was an audio factor at play?
Regardless of Worrall's motivation for making the recordings, they will provide some interesting discussion and hopefully innovation.
How would one apply this? I don't know, I doubt I'll switch baits types based on tone alone but if I had the option, I may try a "darker audio colored" DR if a "brighter" colored DR was not producing or only giving me follows.
Regardless, it would give me the feeling that I was in control and all this isn't just random luck.
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| Hooper - 3/6/2008 12:06 PM
well then it stands to reason to have a recording of a DCG and buy every lure under the sun that sounds like them.
Now you're onto something... Instead of buying every lure under the sun, just buy one and change it's sound.
Lets look at your silent DR example again... insert an audio emitter that can emulate sounds from a selection of baits.... want an underwater weagle - push 139 on the remote, want a DCG, that's code 666, etc etc.
Not practical in terms of cost, but if it were, hmmm.... bait ringtones anyone?
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Location: Eau Claire, WI | This is fun stuff indeed, I love it. I posted a couple lure freq analysis pics from a "random" sampling of the video. They are on the other thread. interesting to see the lower end sigs.
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| So, which is the loudest. It's hard for me to tell with the ambient noise around me right now. I'd have to go with the weagle or rumbler, followed by the globe, but like I said, I'm not hearing it clearly. What IS the mystery lure? ican't place it at all. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Mystery Lure: original version from the early 80's...
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Location: Northwoods | What the heck it that thing? |
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| Loudest in the pool demo was the Creeper, I thought. That bait above is a flaptail-type, the Snodlo? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | It's shorter and stockier than a Snodlow. It's a Dog Turd. Aptly named by Jim Bagley during a trip for Muskies on Pelican. That lure had a few coats of brown and black paint and when I pulled it out of the box to clip on the leader, he said, " I have a dog, and if that was in my yard, I sure wouldn't step on it."
Nightmare refinished the lure for me last year. I have another almost as old that will forever be Beav's, hanging in the garage.
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Location: SE, WI. | Steve; I would like to hear that old headbanger I gave you years ago when you do the sound study. Rumor has it,it is in like new condition in your muskie box. Why don't you fish that bait??? Thankyou sir!!! |
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Location: Eau Claire,WI | Steve are you looking for lures to test? I have some lures that have been out of production for years you could borrow.Let me/us know.Thanks,Paul |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | jd,
That lure was crushed by so many muskies it's plain wore out. I think it's in the archive, but doesn't run anymore. Wish I had another...
Paul,
You bet, I'd love to borrow those baits! |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | Steve - Could you have a transducer running during at least one of the tests? I think people would be interested to hear what that sounds like through a hydrophone. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | Will Schultz - 3/12/2008 6:49 AM
Steve - Could you have a transducer running during at least one of the tests? I think people would be interested to hear what that sounds like through a hydrophone.
Yeah, I'd be really interested in that. You may also want to consider an electric trolling motor and/or a transducer as an ambient sound source for a few of the tests. If there is any.
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | sorenson - 3/12/2008 9:33 AM Will Schultz - 3/12/2008 6:49 AM Steve - Could you have a transducer running during at least one of the tests? I think people would be interested to hear what that sounds like through a hydrophone. Yeah, I'd be really interested in that. You may also want to consider an electric trolling motor and/or a transducer as an ambient sound source for a few of the tests. If there is any. S. It sounds like you are standing next to a train going 50 mph. I'm not sure if Steve's mic system will pick it up the same way a hydrophone does. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Will,
We will be using a hydrophone. it should be here this week, and I intend to record a Nature Vision Showdown sonar and some crappies and gills as soon as the thing arrives. I bet a hit on a Weagle or a Rumbler will sound pretty cool... |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI | sworrall - 3/12/2008 11:48 AM Will, We will be using a hydrophone. it should be here this week, and I intend to record a Nature Vision Showdown sonar and some crappies and gills as soon as the thing arrives. I bet a hit on a Weagle or a Rumbler will sound pretty cool... Awesome!! I know the first time I heard a transducer pinging through a hydrophone that I couldn't believe the NOISE. |
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Location: SE, WI. | Steve; Send me that archive headbanger. I can make it kick more BUTT!!! I will refurbish that gem for you.  |
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