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bigjamesjay
Posted 7/23/2007 9:42 PM (#266708)
Subject: New Here




Posts: 7


Just wanted to introduce myself. Maybe like a self help group....

My name is Jay and I have never caught a muskie. It is definitely a dream of mine though. I joined because I hope to catch muskie one day, but I live in a state that has none in it. I am in Northern California, and fish for trophy bass exclusively using baits the size of the ones you boys use ( well almost, up to about 12inches and 8 ounces) I just wanted to look around and see what you guys do that could be applied to what I do, possibly vice versa.

I'm currently looking into fresh topwater baits for our fish out here that have seen every floating swimbait known to man. I have some interest in large "creeper, crawler, jitterbug" type baits for night fishing.

You guys fish for the top tier predators in your waters, as I do. The big ones are no doubt very smart, I know that HIGHLY pressured big bass are. While obviously there are differences between our fish, there have got to be some key similarities.

As an example, the stigma around big muskies is no secret. They are very hard to catch. Yet the vast majority of baits employed by you guys are not realistic in any way. But they work, and seem to be preferred over more realistic baits. Realism in appearance and movement have taken the front seat on the baits we are using out here for big bass.

Is it just that a reaction type strike is more the target of muskie hunters? Most of our techniques focus on a deliberate, slow, calculated feed response. Are we maybe missing something? I know of guys who have taken high end big bass baits up north and whacked muskies, and i'm sure you guys have caught 5lb largemouth on your baits too.

So much seems the same, but so much more seems different.

Thanks for your time

Jay

Derrys
Posted 7/23/2007 9:57 PM (#266712 - in reply to #266708)
Subject: Re: New Here


I know a lot of Largemouth are caught on Plastic Worms, yet most Bass will rarely see a nightcrawler naturally. There are some similarities between Bass and Muskie, but many differences too. On TV I see a lot of guys using huge Swim baits in California lakes with great success, but I remember guys like Bob Crupi resorting to finesse tactics to get the largest fish to bite. I think he regularly fished highly pressured water though, so that may have made a difference. Maybe action is the key? Eratic action of baits may entice fish to bite, no matter their mood, or how realistic the lure is. Hard to say.

As far as lures, you may want to check out Rollie and Helen's Musky Shop. They are very good to deal with, and carry many different "crawler"-type baits that are geared for larger fish.

Good luck catching that first Muskie. Maybe you'll need to head north to Washington state, as they recently began a new Muskies Inc. Chapter.

Welcome to the forum.
bigjamesjay
Posted 7/23/2007 10:57 PM (#266716 - in reply to #266712)
Subject: Re: New Here




Posts: 7


hmmm. my mom lives in WA, maybe its time for a "family visit"

how cool to have someone mention Bob Crupi right off the bat, that guy was amazing. he was a finesser , but most of the time he was fishing a live crawdad, which to me is a little different than what people typically refer to as finesse. his time was a little before large swimbaits were embraced out here. all of the current big bass studs are throwing big swimbaits nearly exclusively.

as far as plastic worms, that is a good example, i fish some worms up to 17 inches (got an 11lber on one about a month ago as a matter of fact) and those are certainly not realistic looking.

i am completely lost in the muskie terminology, but the bucktails, and woodchopper baits seem sooo low percentage.
Derrys
Posted 7/24/2007 5:37 AM (#266740 - in reply to #266708)
Subject: Re: New Here


I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "low percentage", but Bucktails are actually one of the best Muskie baits of all time. They have probably accounted for more fish caught than any other lure, but that could be due to the fact that so many people use them. To me, they are a high-percentage bait, but you never know. I got an e-mail from my brother yesterday letting me know how he did fishing in Canada for 5 days last week. I think he mentioned that he lost 4 fish in one day using a double Cowgirl.(Bucktail). That is highly unusual. As far as the actual "Woodchopper" bait, I don't see too many Muskie fishermen using them. I see them being used more for Peacock Bass. Jerkbaits may be what you are referring to, and they work very well for Muskie. I would think some of them would work well for Bass, as well as Glide baits like the Phantom. There are tons of Muskie baits out there, and many are quite expensive. If you do a little research, you can avoid tying up too much money in baits you wouldn't have as much success with, and stick with the more "high percentage" ones. Good luck.
MuskieMedic
Posted 7/24/2007 7:29 AM (#266746 - in reply to #266708)
Subject: Re: New Here





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Location: Stevens Point, WI
Welcome aboard there is a wealth of information here, don't be afraid to ask.
muskyone
Posted 7/24/2007 3:38 PM (#266877 - in reply to #266746)
Subject: Re: New Here





Posts: 1536


Location: God's Country......USA..... Western Wisconsin
Try a black Hawg Wobbler at night for those really big Largemouth Bass. I think that you may be pleasantly surprised.
bigjamesjay
Posted 7/24/2007 6:36 PM (#266917 - in reply to #266740)
Subject: Re: New Here




Posts: 7


In regards to bucktails, that is preciseley my point. To me baits like that would be very low bite frequency baits for big bass, yet they are very popular for big muskie. Why? Why do very large, old, smart fish fall for baits like that so often.


I had actually looked at the Hawg Wobbler before, but it appeared that the lip is just a normal diving lip angled so steeply that it just wakes across the surface. Is that the case or is it a "jitterbug" type lip.

If it is a wake style bait, i have too many!!!!

Thanks for the welcome, and putting up with stupid questions!
Derrys
Posted 7/24/2007 7:23 PM (#266924 - in reply to #266708)
Subject: Re: New Here


It actually "snakes" across the surface. One reason it works so well is that it looks like it's moving very quickly, but it is not covering the water very fast. Very enticing bait.
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