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Location: lansing, il | what kind of line do you like to use on your trolling setups??? i have been running yozuri hybred line but with a 10 ft st croix and fluoro leader seems to be a little too much stretch for me.....what do you guys like or not like??? what is versitle with or without planer boards? |
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| I use 40LB gime game!
Gamma leaders 8'
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Location: Racine, Wi | For my smaller baits up to 6" Ernies, Baby DRs etc, I use 20# P-Line. I love it. Smoth line, and it's pretty durable. There is some stretch to it, but it hasn't really effected hook ups. I use it on boards and flat lines
For bigger stuff, I'm using 80# power pro. I would switch my other set ups to 65# power pro, but why mess with what's working. For boards, just make sure to use the OR-18s (I think, off the top of my head). They are the black ones that snap down. Then you won't get the slipping from super braids.
Edited by tuffy1 9/29/2006 2:40 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh, pa | I use 80lb Power Pro on all of my trolling rods. It hasn't let me down yet. |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | Ill second Mason P-Line . I use it in 17,20 and 30 lb tests. All glass rods to add some give in the system. Super lines for trolling baits under 10 inches is more bad than good. No stretch lines put all the strain on rods,guides and drags. I used to rip a lot of hooks loose using 80 lb power pro for trolling. The truth is most of us want to use our casting rigs for trolling. 8 foot heavy action rods with 80 lb braid. Bad choice for trolling. I troll out on Lake St. Clair and have for many years. every big charter boat out there is running Mono lines and glass rods. Thats how they have 20 fish days. The nice thing is that a good Trolling rig is not expensive at all. We use Shakespere Tiger rods 54.00 each and the white Catfish rods 30.00 each with Okuma 30 DX linecounter reels. when pulling small baits like Bagleys monster shads and 5" Rapalas we use 17 lb P-Line with 45 lb wire leaders. never had a break off and rarely ever lose fish. When using 6 to 8 inch baits like Wileys, Talonz Slashers, Lokes Mordas Minnows and such we go up to the 20 and 30 lb P-Line with 60 lb Big Game leaders or 60 lb 7 strand wire. When we pull the big stuff like 12" Talonz Deepthreats or 13 " Grannies we go to straight 60 lb Big Game Mono with 130 lb Florocarbon Leaders. Its all relative to the size lures you are running. Example, I lost a big fish last weekend due to straightening out a belly hook on a 7" Talonz Slasher. I was using the right line 30 lb mono ,the right rod a glass 7 foot Shakespere and the right reel a 30DX Okuma. With all that stretch I still straightened out a small 3/0 hook. I had the drag set for a much larger lure with heavier hooks. So you see even with Mono you can rip a hook loose or straighten one out if you have your drag set to tight. It would have been even worse with less stretch. Cast with super lines Troll with Mono. Kingfisher |
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Location: lansing, il | kingfish so you think im ok with the 30# yozuri on my (whippy) 10 ft proglass croix rods with fluoro leaders..id be better off stickin with the program than changin out line??? |
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Location: Lake Tomahawk, WI | A lot of guys I know have gone back to mono for motor trolling, mostly for the fact that planer boards hold to the line better than with the power braids. I still like Power Pro in 80lb, never had a problem, and switched my Offshores to the OR-18 clips that lock down on the line. I troll very slow, and the no stretch lines are essential. Also have a few leadcore lines rigged for the right occasions.
Leaders are 100lb flouro, I tie them myself and have never had a bite off in 12 years of trolling (knock on wood). We started out with heavy mono, then switched to flouro when it became available.
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| I echo what J. Sloan said. I primarily use 80 or 100# PowerPro and 45# 7-strand if I want to get real deep real quick. I use Offshore boards with the OR-18 releases or switch the the Church boards and slide the keel weight all the way forward to get a better bite in the water when pulling larger baits like 14" Jakes or perchbaits. When using the Offshore I sometimes put the line through the release, wrap it back over the top of the release and then put it through the release a 2nd time. It makes it real hard to pull out and you usually end up having to pull the board off by hand like the walleye guys do. |
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Great advice from all who posted.
I also use 17lb P-line Premium for my small crank baits when trolling. Larger baits will get different rods that have more back bone and Power Pro in 65lb test.
When trolling I like to have a small amount of give in the tips of my rods, it seems like it makes for better hook-ups. Too stiff of rods and more lost fish on the hits.
I also change the snaps on my boards. Great advice people.
All my leaders are made from Seagar flourocarbon leader line. Great stuff. I use 65lb and 80 lb test for my leaders. Spro swivels and Snapease snaps are my choices for the ends of the leaders.
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Location: Apollo, PA | Don't forget about whether you want to keep your baits deeper, or actually want to keep them higher in the water column. This is where line diameter is critical. I like 80# tigerbraid, and heavy dacrons. Drag settings of course are very important.
Alot of guys love mono (Bucher) etc... I just don't like it when i'm banging into things. Maybe its me, but i don't trust it. Rocks really beat it up. PS |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | muskihntr, I dont know the action on those rods. I have a friend that uses the Yozuri hybred lines and he like them. My setup is simple on inland lakes. We are allowed two rods each so I run a 4 rod spread. I run two in the propwash one on each side. These are 7 foot Shakespere Catfish rods THAT HAVE HAD THE GUIDES REPLACED WITH STAINLESS STEEL HEAVY DUTY GUIDES. I have three sets of them one set has 17 one has 20 and 0ne has 30 lb Mason P-LINE. The catfish Glass rod loads about 25% with a 7 inch jointed crank. Drags should be set where a small fish can only take a couple of feet and a big fish can strip line. I use the 17 and 20 for these smaller lures with smaller hooks. I step up to the 30 when Im pulling 9 to 10 inch lures. I can use the 30 on the smaller baits and have but like I said in my last post I straightened out a hook doing it. My out rods are 10 foot Shimano Taloras(Dipsy rods) They are a Glass composite and stout enough to pull 10 inch lures because they were designed to pull 4 and 6" dipsy Divers. I have three sets of reels for these rods 17,20,30. If you are having trouble with hook sets these whippy rods may be a little to soft and a braid line might work better. The problem with rods that are too soft is that they load to the power point from the lure and when a fish hits all the shock goes into the drag. Braids work well when pulling big lures like 13" Gandmas and 14inch jakes, Parrywinkles,Deepthreats and such. I build 21 inch cranks for guys who troll Georgian Bay . The tackle needed for those is unreal. Halibut rods, 200 lb, braid lines or Wire because they are trying to set 10/0 to 14/0 hooks. Line and rod/reel setups are all relative to the hook size /lure size you are pulling. Lake St. Clair troller have used Mono for as long as I can remember . Tiger rods, Catfish rods 321 Penn reels, Okuma , P-Line all used by hundreds of guys out there with awsome results. Most run 30 or 40 lb mono with 50 to 80 lb floro or hard mono leaders. Braid lines have a few other issues that slip by most guys. For instance guide wear. Running a large crankbait generates a ton of rod vibration with the tip hammering sometimes as far as 18 inches up and down. This saws the line back and forth thru the guides wearing grooves in them. Because of thier course nature they also generate a lot of heat when the big one hits and start peeling line out many times blowing the inserts right out of cheaper Aluminum oxide guides. This forces you to step up to expensive SIC OR Titanium guides. Dont get me wrong Braids have thier place and its on my casting rods where I need the lack of stretch to get a good hook set. Braids will also get you deeper than Mono . Another drawback to Braids is the cost. Another is the fact that its difficult to tell if you have a nick or weak spot in your line. With Mono you can feel the nicks and even see them . Braid lines are more apt to break rods and holders than Mono when drags heat up and stick. Ive been trolling since 1978 and have used everything out there. I used to own a set of the first Mac Jack downriggers built in my home town of Muskegon Michigan. Theres a lot to learn from the Salmon trollers when it comes to stopping a freight train on the end of your line. I dont use yozuri so I cant tell you if its good or not. I think the rods may be a little soft especilly for 10 inch lures. Most inland Musky fishermen troll with thier casting rods because they dont want to buy trolling gear. They lose a lot of fish and burn a lot of drags,Rip loose a lot of hooks and break rods in cold weather. Go Mono its so much easier to work with. Kingfisher |
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Location: lansing, il | thanks guys lots of great info...the 10 ft rods im using are the st croix pro glass heavy trolling rods..they have a lot of action to them...they are not stiff rigid rods at all......i use the big bird yellow boards and i noticed too that they dont stay on with the braided line and they are much better with the yozuri.. the yozuri hybred is tough stuff my saltwater buddies use it down there on stuff that temd to be more powerful than muskies... my biggest concern was the combination of the rod line and leader that i was giving up too much stretch ....but it sounds like im ok..the general consensus seems to be give is good. i am rarely under 3.5 mph. |
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Location: oswego, il | I am a mono/flourocarbon line for trolling too. I am also big on hook choice as well. I know I post alot about hooks but I have learned my lessons with them and seen darn there side by side comparisons. I like P-line and big game 20-30lb. |
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Location: Minnesota | 80lb Power Pro. I use it for all types of fishing and not just trolling. Have yet to have it snap. I have moved decent sized rocks with this line when my lures where stuck.
James
http://www.gruntmuskielures.com
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Location: oswego, il | Forgot to mention, I have had two hits while trolling with power pro and holding the rod and both times the line snapped immediately like a dig-in backlash and yes I had the drag set light.
Edited by ToddM 10/2/2006 6:24 AM
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| Mike Baratta knows what he's talking about, much like most of you do. It is nice to see the diversity of answers here. I agree with Mike....80 lb. is a good way to go. I also use 30 or 40 lb. P-Lone....low stretch, but enough if the line you're running behind the bait is short.
Using longer, forgiving rods has been my way to go for over 10 years. Mike showed me his set-up long ago, and with longer, more forgiving rods, the fish can pull their head back and forth, and shake like crazy, and STILL stay on.
Bette,
Keep using the longer glass rods...they work, and don't break during VERY cold temps!!
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