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| Hi guys, I hope you are having as much fun with this message board as I am.
I'm curious what everyone's expectation or definition of RESEARCH really is.
Hard facts are nice... but often not very useful. Considering very little research has been done on the musky, and recognizing the fact that many of the questions we have about muskies will NEVER have definitive answers.... how should we use this message board to help one another catch more muskies?
I feel that RESEARCH is a rather vague term. You can conduct scientific experiments, study existing literature on a subject, and make observations.
The latter is what I feel this board will most effectively tap. In essence, we are ALL researchers of the musky. Observing a specimen in its environment is research. Plain and simple. Therefore we all can contribute.... our observations.
Yes, disciplined science is important.... but what I'd like to do here is get people to make there own interpretation of the disciplined sciences and produce THEORIES as to how it applies to muskies.
I don't think too many guys care about the propagation of sound waves through a dense media. But, I'm sure guys would like to debate whether rattles make a difference in our lures. Same basic topic... but No PHD required here.
What do you think? Do we need PROOF or can we just SPECULATE on this forum? I think since we are talking about the musky.... speculation is inevitable. Do you agree??? |
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| Jason,
This board is interesting (MUSKY ILLINI is killing me). - LOL MI
I agree that everyone who fishes is conducting research. From the moment an angler leaves the dock, an experiment is being conducted, it might not be all that structured. Some anglers have a preplanned “milk-run,” some never fish the same spot twice, some spend the summer fishing the same lake, while others may never return to the same lake. These anglers are sampling what is available, researching.
You right correct in stating there are no hard facts. Each fishing situation is different in many ways: weather, forage base, individual lake systems, certain baits at certain times, too many to list. I have difficulty with Muskie based research, especially research conducted in a laboratory setting. I have worked in basic laboratory research for eight years and seen cases where an individual experiment works well in the lab (in vitro) but when placed into a biological setting (in vivo) the results change, both positively and negatively. The variables in biology are endless, while the variables in the laboratory are controlled. Can laboratory research give anglers an edge? Possibly, but it cannot be substituted for time on the water (don’t get sunburned, skin cancer sucks).
The research that is conducted on a particular lake may not apply to other biological situations. That research project has variables that apply to that system and may not apply to other lakes, reservoirs, or river systems. Individual lake systems are like a human being, very diverse and fragile. There are just no absolutes.
About ten years ago a gene called SYK (SYK is involved with cancer development) was discovered. The authors of the initial paper fully described what SYK’s function was. The researchers were positive that SYK had no other functions. Ten years later, labs are discovering that SYK regulates many functions and pathways within a cell and many different types of cells. The story of that gene will probably never end. The story of muskie fishing will never end. There will always be new baits to throw, new techniques to try, etc.
There are a few absolutes in fishing that I know (IMHO), and my friend Doug reminds me of them all season. If a fish is hungry it will eat. You can’t catch fish at the bar or cabin. Throw the best bait suited for the situation. You have to pay your dues. The finest angler’s I know apply a relentless approach.
Speculation is what fuels fishing, but it is just that. We will be speculating until we can’t cast or troll anymore.
Good Luck
Dan
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| ditto- I think it's not necessary to do double blind studies to be research. Research is learning. Reasearch is asking why and trying to find the answers. We can learn a lot from each other by sharing what we have learned and our individual observation's while fishing for Muskies. I know that there are many fish biologist's & researcher's who visit these web sites. I've been told that some of the discussions are pretty funny while some are pretty darn good with respect to the biological aspect of Muskies. Maybe the biologist's will also learn from us. I hope a few of them participate in this forum.
I expect to be able to learn much more about Muskies here. Sure the other sections of the MF board are great for learning to, but I see this as a different venue. More like your 3 yr old kid saying "why" every time you tell them to do something.
If we ask a why or how question it's because we really don't understand why or how, and if we respond we should be curtious enough to respond without bashing. However, there needs to be a little room for some humor w/o being insulting. nxtwrldrcd's response to the "gay Muskie" query was hillarious. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Anyone who posts such a funny question anonymously should expect a funny retort.
I don't want to see "What's your favorite Bucktail"?
More like "Why do bucktails work to catch Muskies?". How do Muskies use sound? etc, etc. I think this Muskie research board is more about free discussion of various topics related to Muskies themselves. Speculation is great!!! Speculation leads to discovery, discovery leads to invention, which should lead to new ideas about how to catch Muskies. There are already some good questions posted. I posted this in another post but I think it's appropriate here.
"A man ceases to be a beginner in any given science and becomes a master in that science when he has learned that . . . he is going to be a beginner all his life."
R. G. Collingwood (1889–1943)
Al Warner
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| SORRY DAN I DIDNT KNOW I WAS BOTHERING YOU![:blackeye:] [:halo:] [:bigsmile:]
Bottom line is that knowledge is the key to CONSISTANTLY catching muskies. I expect this board to gian popularity as this year goes on. Guys will start to apply knowledge, they gained reading this board, on the water.
MUSKY ILLINI
"I have nipples too...Can you milk me..FOCKER?"
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| I sent jlong an email after I came up with this little idea for a research board on site. I wanted more in depth posting almost science related postings here on site that we can learn from. Muskies are often hard to understand and I dont know anyone that knows everything there is to know about them. With the ideas and help from jlong and everyone else hopefully we can figure out many of those questions and make us all better fisherman.
MuskieFIRST has one goal, and that is to shorten the learning curve for every muskie fisherman. If you pay close attention you will learn and you will become a better muskie angler much faster. You still need time on the water, but this site gives you insight to make better use of your time. [;)]
jlong, Nothing is really proven fact, mostly theorys and the more we talk about them the more we can break them down. Thats what this page is all about.[;)] [:bigsmile:]
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| MUSKY ILLINI,
"killling me" was meant to be a compliment. I love the quotes you add with your signature.
I am sorry you took it the wrong way
Dan |
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| Dan,
My fault Dan. I Have taken permenant residence at the HOTEL PARANOIA. Sorry for the miscommunication.
MUSKY ILLINI
"Hey LAMMMA! How about a little somthin for the effort?"
"And he siad, On your death bed you will recieve total consciousness, so I got that going for me, Which is NICE[:praise:] |
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| Jason: I think your post is right on target and in the short time this board has been up, I have enjoyed it immensely! Congrats and keep it up.
Science doesn't know "all" of the answers. Never will. Too many variables, too much to learn. There is no substitute for time on the water, something musky guhru Roger Halvorson taught biologists many years ago. To their benefit I might add.
Muskie regards,
Larry Ramsell
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