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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | I believe the clients should come first and get first water always.
I have seen guides pound from the front of the boat and working the choice spots just to get a fish in the boat. The answer I got from him was "I got to score a fish to make them happy". I would beg to differ on that statement.
I also believe watching a guide work a bait, structure can be very valuable but this is up to the client.
The clients should be working the baits, structure, figure 8's, etc......correctly before guides should start fishing. Unless you have fished with the guide before, then let er rip.
What are some of your views about a guide fishing? |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | After the guide has me doing things in a correct manner; working baits, figure eights, all the things you mentioned in your post, I think the guide should fish. The first few trips those things will be more important to me than getting a fish in a boat. Seems like I've said that before? When I first started doing research to take this sport up, I was really pleased to see that most guides consider themselves teachers, instead of, well, guiders.
I also think the guide should only fish if he feels safe in the boat with me. lol
Kevin
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| The guide should fish from the back, but they should fish. You have the first chance at every fish. I would rather see the guide catch one than no fish at all. How could a guide as an avid musky fisherman try as hard as they can for 12 hours when you don't have a chance to catch one. I have been on a trip where the guide caught a fish and I didn't. It is not that big of a deal. We don't need to be selfish. |
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Location: The desert | I like it when the guide fishes with me....but if I am paying I better have the front of the boat!
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| If your a guide do you hand the hooked fish to the client. I know Phil Schweik from Hooksetters does. He insists regardless on the size of the fish |
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Location: Michigan | I would be leery of a guide that doesn't fish. Also while it is a nice courtesy for a guide to hand over the rod after he hooks a fish, there's no way I would accept ( I have been asked) catching a muskie in that manner.
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| I think a guide should fish after all it is another bait in the water and you will be able to figure out what baits are hot for the day. |
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Location: The Sportsman, home, or out on the water | If i hire a guide, I want an on-the-water instructional course. I think the guide, if possible, should fish out of the middle, or the back of the boat, as long as that guide can maintian boat control. If trolling, the guide should controll the boat after the lines are set, and let clients take all trolling fish.
Did I confuse anyone? lol.
Capt. Mike, I'm going to have to hire you someday this year.
Rob
Edited by muskynightmare 2/21/2006 8:16 PM
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Location: Stevens Point | Guides should fish as long as the client knows what they are doing. People learn from watching. |
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Location: Lake Vermilion Tower, MN | I would never ask a paying customer that he fish in the back of the boat. Infact my boat is set up so that I can run everything from the back of the boat.
If I only have one client, I will fish all day long. If I have two, I'll just make a few cast here and there.
Very few of my customers "insist" that I fish, however
many do invite me to fish with them.
I did have one guy last summer, that said he thought I would hand off the rod, when I caught a fish while guiding him. I wouldn't want to reel in someone else fish after they hooked it. What are you going to tell your friends, "Look at the nice fish my guide let me reel in". I can't see any satisfaction in that but thats just me.
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I control the boat from the front, but guarnatee the client has the good water first, second and until it's wel fished. Ask Lambeau. Of course, he wasn't a client, but all the same to me.
Many times I'll fish a system the clients don't want to fish, like creatures, and fish parallel to the water they are hitting. They see far more fish and catch far more fish than I, but sometimes I score a fish that otherwise would not have been in the net. I offer the rod to the client, it's up to them to take it.
If the clients don't want me to fish, I control the boat and inform them why we are working the water the way we are. Up to them. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | I have had guides 'hold back' from fishing until I bring up the subject that ONE OF US needs to bring a fish to the boat! Many will fish, like Steve said, a different bait or pattern or piece of the water (Tony Grant's big fish was caught by casting away from where his clients were fishing, for example).
And, yes, Mr. Nightmare, you should hire Cap't. Koepp. One of the best of the best IMHO. m |
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Location: Presque Isle Wisconsin | With one person Ill fish from the back of the boat If he or she asks.Two peopleIll usually just run the boat and make sure they are working the lures right,make suggestions etc.If they ask me to fish I will .With longtime clients Ill usually spell them when they take a break.New clients Ill let them tell me if they want me to fish. |
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Location: Wausau, Wisconsin | If his clients want to. No if his clients don't. A quick question will solve this for me. Some want me to focus on what they are doing to improve and others want to watch me to learn to improve. I once had a guy that made no more than 10 or 15 casts, just wanted to see how I do what I do. It is common that after a big lunch there is an hour period where they beg me to cast because they can't move. Caught a big one that way and they were thrilled. I think it really depends on the individual. I personally like to cast not because I need to catch a fish as I usually hand off the rod but because I like more lines in the water. |
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Location: Green Bay, WI | If there's a sucker over the boat it also helps to have two lures drawing fish in. And the fact that you can have two different *types* of lures going essentially doubles the productivity. If the guide starts seeing fish on a crankbait and the client is using a bucktail, then they can make a change. I did some guiding years ago when I was in high school and there were a couple of times I brought a fish to the boat, and the client had them hit on a figure eight.
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| I have never hired a guide, but here is how I see it.
First, I dont care where the guide fishes from. I have been outfished by a guy in the back of the boat more than once. Like Mr. Worrall said, you can fish from the front and still give the client the first shot at good water if you are good at boat control.
Second, absolutely the guide should fish. I feel they can give much better instruction by showing than just telling.
And finally, do not hand me the rod if you hook a fish. I'm a big kid, I dont need any charity. This one could be different with many people though. Probably best for the guide to ask at the beginning of the trip. But, for me, I agree with Ace, where's the satisfaction in reeling in a fish somebody else hooked?
Just the way I see it. |
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| The guide should probably not fish as he or she will probably catch a fish most of the time,because they are a better fisherman.G web |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | One other thought: if my son is with me (rare, but it happens), I would ask the guide that if the guide hooks a fish, can my son play it in to the boat? Any opinions on that? m |
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Location: Watertown, MN | Mike
Guide should fish when your on the water, working 3 baits will enable you to determine location and presentation by being able to cover more water quicker. Front or back, both depends on what you are fishing, if you need to follow structure visually(giving customer first cast to spot on the spots), then you need to be in the front, working breaklines in the back.
Troyz
Edited by Troyz. 2/22/2006 7:28 AM
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Location: Madison, WI | I agree with baldy, my favorite part about fishing is the intial hookset. Gives you the first chance to see what's on the other end...
And yes I don't have any problem with a guide fishing, now if catches 5 to my 0.. ..I'd be little irritated, but it's fishing it happens to everyone... |
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| webby - 2/22/2006 7:20 AM
The guide should probably not fish as he or she will probably catch a fish most of the time,because they are a better fisherman.G web
not alot of truth in that statement. you just never know with muskies.
by the same token, there is no guarantee that a fish caught by the guide would have been caught by the client had the guide not been fishing. |
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| REAL simple...clear the air before or at the dock before leaving...if he insists on fishing, divert his attention, leap in vessel and return when YOU get tired! Far as guides go, I've only fished w/ Crash and Justin, so me experience is somewhat limited; Justin is an excellent teach, tries EXTREMELY hard for feesh and has an endless supply of jokes...Crash and I generally putter 'round spot to spot, pausing for a pop and candy bar, and chit chat while consuming massive amounts of Ibuprophen through the day to dull the ravages experienced by those less fortunate and the aging process...another plus is the more the guide is casting, the more time you have to dig through his lunch. Guess it boils down to what each peep wants outta the day... |
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| If you are fishing weedbeds it's better for you to have your guide casting behind you to feel his way along the weedbed. Works for me anyway. Clients are always in front of me with the best baits. If I get a fish to follow or hit, that bait goes on the clients rod immediately. And if he or she doesn't catch a fish in the first ten minutes with that bait they get pushed in the lake. Makes them work harder....especially in November. 
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Location: MPLS, MN | It should be up to the client but I assume most wouldn't mind. I've hired 3 guides and I asked them all to fish with me. I think the client should get the front and if you want to make a living guiding you should set up your boat to control it out of the back.
Also, in my 3 trips the guides have 2 muskies and I have 2.
Edited by Obfuscate Musky 2/22/2006 8:23 AM
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| Heck yes, I want them to fish. I ain't payin all that money to do all the work! Besides, I like making Dorazio throw big jerk baits when I raise or land a fish on one! hehehe
It's really up to the guide. I'd prefer they fish along with us, at least some of the day. Throw a bait I don't know, or am not good at, so I can see what he's doing different than I do. I'm not to proud to ask for help that way. And no, I don't take a rod with a fish on it when offered. |
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Location: Brookfield, WI | I want to fish with Ty. He didin't seem so scary when I bought my Pacemakers at the Milwaukee show. An old fat guy like me could use that kind of motivation.
Kevin
Post, post, plan, plan
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Location: Pewaukee, Wisconsin | Most people will not take a rod if I stick a fish from the back of the boat, BUT I have handed of a good share of fish to some very happy clients.
The "hook set" being the best part is for the seasond muskie fishermen. Lots of trolling fish are caught and they are always hooked before the rod is even out of the holder.
The hand off can also teach the client how to fight the fish, guide can teach how to net a fish, client can learn how to properly remove hooks from a fish, proper holding of the fish for a picture and proper release of that fish. All of this would be done HANDS ON, not talked about as the guide quickly releases the fish at boat side.
Lots to learn from a handed off fish. Swallowing some pride can become a learning experaince to the client.
Just me views on that. |
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Location: Palm Coast, FL | It boils down to talking to the client before heading out...
Do they want me to fish? ( I am always at the back of the boat)
How experienced are they?
Here is what I think is working...would you want to throw it or do you have something else you would like to throw?
If I hook one...do they want to reel it in? (some clients do appreciate it and others would be very irritated)
All in all...it is a service that I offer. I can't force anyone to throw certain baits or let me fish all the time. I do the best to provide my client with as much information as possible and hope the muskies are cooperating.
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