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| Can anyone guess if you will be able to get on Monona or Waubesa this weekend? |
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Location: Belleville, WI | yes - why not? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Shouldn't be a problem. |
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Location: Hayward WI | Your only problem will be launching at Babcock Park on Waubesa, the gate was locked this morning 11/18 when I went by. They close the gate in winter, I have no idea why they closed is so early this year. The Lake Farm launch on the north end of the lake should be open.
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| You should be able to get in anywhere down here. Unless, of course, you will be in a Crestliner. Everything was still frozen solid up here during lunch today. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Was on Wingra today. Water temp were 36 - 37 degrees. Monona & Waubesa should & will be warmer. A little ice at the landing, not sure where it came from. |
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| Well, Gerard are you going to tell us if you had any luck on Wingra???  |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | No luck. Great to get out thou. |
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| What is the DNR doing with the fenced in area on the north side of Wingra this fall? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | I'm sure it not the DNR, but it a test to remove all fish (mostly carp) to see if the native weeds would grow up and choke out the milfoil and make the water clear.
I found a brief summary that better explains:
Briefly, the idea is that if one were to curtain off a 2.5 acre piece of the shore and remove the carp (which continually stir up the bottom and contribute to the turbid condition), that the "good" vegetation would respond and revert that enclosure to a clear water condition with a compliment of desireable vegetation. Carp root up Chara, a plant that carpets the bottom, and effectively "seals" in both fine sediments and phosphorous. The disruption by carp removes this blanket and allows phosphous to be readily available in the water column to algae - hence the continual green cast of the water. The carp also allow the fine silts and clays to be re-suspended into the water column where the wind keeps it in suspension. From a fisheries perspective (my opinion), this has great potential to demonstrate that Wingra could be "re-set" to a more desirable water clarity condition that could also add to the amount of desirable habitat present. Clear water can allow the growth of native vegetation that serves as feeding, resting cover for game fishes. Secondarily, the fishery community there could benefit from the increased clarity that means more efficient predation = controlling carp and getting better size and condition from the sight feeding predators like muskies. I personally believe that as a public asset, Wingra can be more than what it is and I am obligated to the public to try to get to a better end point. There is much local energy with watershed groups that are addressing other ills such as nutrients and storm water...this is another piece of a larger initiative.
Edited by muskie! nut 11/19/2005 6:24 PM
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| How are they going to remove all the unwanted fish in the curtained off area? And if this pilot project is a success, what do they propose to do next? |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | How are they going to remove all the unwanted fish in the curtained off area? Boom shocking and at the last resort a chemical called rotenone. The Cap City & Flatlanders MI both opposed this action, due to they can not contain the cheminal to the enclosure.
And if this pilot project is a success, what do they propose to do next? Good question. We have been assured the WDNR will not destroy a class fishery like Wingra. I can't really can't tell you.
I have been trying to search the several groups that have been involve web sites for an more detailed article, but unable to find what I want. Sorry, Dennis. |
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| Muskie Nut:
I can support boom shocking for the removal of rough fish in Wingra. However, I am definately apposed to using rotenone in Wingra for any reason. This is a highly toxic chemical and depending on wind and water currents, it can have devanstating effects on the game fish (muskies - bass -crappies). Who is this group and how do we voice our opinion with the DNR. Seems like the DNR allows these projects and then all we can do is say OOPS! That didn't work so well. Wingra needs help with the removal of the carp, but lets not kill off a significant number of muskies in the process. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Dennis, its a little late for that. They (Dane County Lakes & watershed Committee) mentioned that it would only be use as a last resort and in very low quanities. I'm really not sure who is doing the actual work. It may be Edgewood College?
For more info go to the Cap City web site www.capitalcitymuskiesinc.org and go to the archives of the messaging board & on the 4th page it is the 2nd topic from the bottom. Read it and view the links posted, maybe you can find more info on this issue. |
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Location: Ogden, Ut | I wouldn't worry at all about a rotenone treatment. Cove rotenone treatment is an often-used method of obtaining population estimates in many parts of the country. It is NOT a highly toxic chemical as some fear. It is actually a fairly weak insecticide; but has the property of when used in aquatic systems, prevents the uptake of oxygen by organisms breathing via gills. It is used under strict accordance to label directions and as such, the possibility of 'escapement' fish kills is almost non-existent. This is true mainly due to 2 reasons: 1) fish avoid it - the only reason it will kill in a confined area is that the fish are caged in, and 2) the dilution effect will quickly take it far below lethal levels to aquatic organisms out of the target area. It is a very safe chemical as far as humans and non-target species are concerned.
Sorno
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Location: Belleville, WI | It sure is nice to have a guy with an education around here! Thanks Sorno! |
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Location: Madison | I'm pretty sure it IS a DNR project. Don't know why else the DNR would be talking about it at Edgewood college.
http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=tct:2004:11:27:394996:...
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| Thanks for sending me the website that explains what they are trying to accomplish at Lake Wingra. Maybe we should schedule a carp tournament next spring? |
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Location: Madison | I used to catch carp when I was a kid with doughballs. Those things fight like mad - great fun to catch.
I also once hooked about a 9 lb carp on a panfish tube jig on my ultralight rod with 4 lb. test. Took almost an hour to land, and I didn't even see the fish for the first 25 minutes. |
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| You know... With a lake the size of Wingra, I'd think you could drag a net West to East and get all the carp out of there... Toss the gamefish over the side and keep the carp. Doesn't stop them from coming up the river or through the channels, but it's SOMETHING.
I like the idea of a carp tournament, though |
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Location: Belleville, WI | What are you smoking, EA? How big a net is this, and what is it made out of? |
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| When I was a kid up in Silver lake, the DNR, in a combined effort with the local sportsmen's club, came through the bay when the carp were spawning trying to net carp. (LOL, they got two, we speared about 150 in three days in the creek) The best way to describe the net they used is this:
It was maybe 6 feet tall, with a mesh size similar to a musky net, and maybe 100 yards long. They were using it in a pretty shallow area, so they just walked it along with maybe 10 guys in a line. As the mouth of the bay widened out they'd just unroll more netting. The end guys eventually came together, leaving the net in a big "U", and then one by one all the guys in the middle went around to the outside to pull in the ends of the net.
Screw it, just drain the lake and throw all the muskies in Monona, LOL! |
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| Anybody been close enough to check out the enclosed area? The water IS a lot cleaner in there... |
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| I'm not sure getting rid of all the carp in Wingra is such a good idea. Isn't carp a type of forage for a (near) starving musky fishery? Muskies in Wingra aren't the fattest fish (and theres a lot of them) and certainly are limited in the amount of forage. Which is worse, poor water clarity or destroying an important food source? I particularly don't mind the carp at all as they are a little nuisance to me(other than turning around every 10 seconds when one splashes on the surface). So I pose the question, is this really what we want for the fishery? |
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| I'm not sure getting rid of all the carp in Wingra is such a good idea. Isn't carp a type of forage for a (near) starving musky fishery? Muskies in Wingra aren't the fattest fish (and theres a lot of them) and certainly are limited in the amount of forage. Which is worse, poor water clarity or destroying an important food source?
my understanding is that the DNR is much more concerned about water quality degradation caused by the carp than they are about food source issues for muskies. i don't think (not "know" just think) that carp are an important foodsource for muskies in Wingra. alot of the carp in Wingra are too big to be eaten by the muskies in there anyway...and all the time they're rooting and tooting up the bottom.
it's a "park" lake and people understandably want it to be nice.
even assuming there was a viable plan for reducing the carp and improving water quality, i have yet to hear a plan for keeping the carp out again. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | You can't have a carp "shoot" on Wingra. The whole lake is within the Madison city limit and no bow (or gun) shooting is allowed. |
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| The way I understood it is that the carp are stirring up so much sediment that the sight feeders (game fish) are having difficulty finding food.
I caught three fish out of there back in June and believe me -- them fish ain't starving. They're not growing very big, but they were awfully stout this year. Won't the panfish and bass have better reproduction if the carp population is reduced?
I would think that the more forage you have the bigger your muskies are going to get.
I snagged some fricken MONSTER carp in Wingra last summer. No way ANY musky is gonna eat that! |
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