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| Hi, I am new on the board. Have been reading it for a while and finally decided to register.
I am planning on setting up a baitcasting reel for some pike and hopefully musky fishing.
I have read comments about some people setting up the reel with a premium line with a mono backer. I assume this means putting mono on the bottom or bse of the reel and then the premium line on the outer part to fish with.
How much mono do you put before the premium line ?
Is there a particular ratio of test for mono (backer) to premium ? i.e. 20 lbs test mono to 30 lb premium.
What knot to join the line ?
Any other tips or suggestions ?
Edited by cabezaverde 12/19/2004 8:15 AM
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Location: Kawarthas, Ontario | It depends on how big your spool is and whether you like to troll or cast. If you're trolling and long lining (100' or more out) you might want extra backing medium (mono, dacron, etc) while when casting you might use 25 - 75' of line. You can use backing in either case or if casting you can use some tape to adfix your line to the spool and go direct. If you want to add backing you can use a uni knot with info found here http://www.fish4fun.com/Joining2Lines.htm |
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| I assume the reason for doing this is to save the cost of filling your whole reel with premium line. Is that correct ? |
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| On the backing question, I have found cheap mono in the same size diameter as the superline to work the best which for me with 80# super I always use 20# mono. On a abu 5500 size if you fill with mono to 1/4" from the top of the spool you can buy a 150yd. spool of super 80# and fill 2 reels. That comes to about $8.00 a reel.
Yes, I am price wary!!!
Edited by The Handyman 12/19/2004 8:45 AM
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Location: Kawarthas, Ontario | Yes. Most times you will not use that much of your line. At the end of the season you can turn your line around and use the 'fresh' end the next year. If you're fishing trophy waters where you have a really good chance at a huge fish than maybe you'll forego this last one. Good point Handyman, I forgot to say that I also use 80 # line. On some of my bigger trolling reels I could almost use 500 yards of 80 # if I didn't use backing. It is wasteful and unnecessary.
Edited by out2llunge 12/19/2004 8:48 AM
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Location: Elkhart, IN | Just to add a little to this, what you're referring to as premium line is braided line such as Power Pro or Tuf Line or Stren Super Braid. At least part of the reason for the mono backing is that if you were to tie braided line directly to your spool it would slip because braided line has no stretch and therefor will slip on a spool if tied directly. A great site to get knots to use is www.powerpro.com They'll have the knots you need to connect the two lines and also the knots to tie on your leader or lure. I prefer the Albright knot for tying my braid to my mono backing, and the Uni knot for tying on my leader or lures. When pulling the knot tight always moisten with a little bit of saliva, this helps keep the integrity of the knot. |
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| One other point, if for any reason you want a full spool of superline(trolling?) I used superglue to glue that knot and first wrap of line right to the spool, let dry a minute and finish wrapping. Will never slip!!!! FYI |
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Location: Valentine, NE USA | On my pike rods, I use 100' of 25# mono as backing, and 300' of 25# Power Pro, spliced with the Albright knot. For attaching the leader, the Uni knot cannot be beat. Fast & easy to tie and super strong.
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| I have been using the braided spider wire on my other bait caster.
Any other (better) suggestions for this set up ? |
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| When you put backing on I prefer at least 20lb. mono. The reason for this is I've seen lighter 8-10lb. break at the know that attaches the super line and then the super line can slip on the mono. I have not seen this often but it can happen.
The best way to put a spool of super line on is to first put the super line on the reel then fill the spool with mono, after that take all the line off and put it on mono first. It's a pain in the butt to do it this way but then your spool will be completly full of line. |
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| I use 20 or 30 pound mono as backing, and then 80 pound Power Pro or Cortland Spectron. You can tape the spool for added slippage protection but that really isn't necessary with the reels I use.  |
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Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | any kind of mono will help with the slippage. I've used 30lb musky mono (by cortland), and 8lb. Berkley XL. I couldnt tell you which reels have which on them. |
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Location: north central wisconsin | Another way to keep the super lines from slipping on the spool if you are using a smaller reel or do not use backing is a wrap or two of electrical tape on the spool first. I do this on my small Morrum and a couple other reels that I fill full of super and it works awesome. good luck! |
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Location: Holly, MI | reelman - 12/21/2004 11:31 AMThe best way to put a spool of super line on is to first put the super line on the reel then fill the spool with mono, after that take all the line off and put it on mono first. It's a pain in the butt to do it this way but then your spool will be completly full of line.
I do this same thing. It is a pain but I can measure out exactly how much power-pro I want on the reel then fill it the rest of the way with my mono. I want my reel full for casting distance and the superlines are too expensive to use more than needed. Make sure to put a fair bit more than your casting distance of your superline however because you will be cutting and re tying all season long. With mono as backing you will not need glue or tape on your spool. The mono streches and grabs on to the spool and will not slip.
With simular diameter lines I like the blood knot to join them. |
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| What line do you suggest for the super ? What is the opinion on spider braided ?
Edited by cabezaverde 12/21/2004 6:31 PM
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Location: Elkhart, IN | I personally believe Power Pro, Stren Super Braid, and TufLine XP are significantly better than Spiderline. I personally use the TufLine XP. |
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Location: Wishin I Was Fishin' | I do the same thing as REef Hawg, a layer of electrical tape. I don't use backing. I don't like the knot and I have wound the line onto another reel to use the unused stuf that was on the bottom.
I buy my line in bulk spools so I don't have to worry about filling up the rest of a spool from a small spool or having a little left from a small spool that isn't good for anything. I feel this is a better cost saver then using backing.
I also use my old line for my tip-ups....I have some tip-ups with 12 year old musky line and still in great shape. |
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