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| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | I finally pulled the trigger and have qty 30 12-14'' tigers being delivered tonight from MMF!!! I'm not sure how long it will take before I see the results if these fish make it or not but based on the large forage in the lake I'm sure they will survive. Two aerators and 10 acres with a 20' hole. Bass dominate it now and usually you have to go thru 40 1-2 1/2 pounders to get a 4-5 pound bass. large cat fish also roam the lake and a some of the biggest blue gill I've ever seen. I just hope I'm not throwing in 300 beans in the lake to feed the larger bass/catfish. Based on the info what do you speculate the growth rate I might expect?? I'll snap a couple of pics tonight and post them tomorrow. Thanks | ||
| MACK |
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Posts: 1086 | Excuse my ignorance...I'm new here. You have your own private 10 acre pond/lake you bought those tigers for? If so...COOL! :thumbsup: I'm green with envy. I'd love to have my own lake that I could privately fund. I don't think you're wasting $300 for those fish at all. And...like anything else...you never know until you try. I think you'll love your efforts. Sure...it may take a few years before you can start to see that $300 paying off...but...patience is a virtue. Congrats. (If you don't have your own private 10 acre pond/lake...disregard. :D Maybe I've misunderstood or not know the whole story.) | ||
| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | No 9 other homes are on it. If it was mine it would have been stocked yearly with ski's and would have structure galore in the middle. Home owners fish it but only a few times a year. I'm just messing around trying to play God with the lakes eco system. Hopefully no swimmers with toe rings get bit in a few years | ||
| MACK |
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Posts: 1086 | Well...regardless...that's really cool. I'd love to have a 'lil hole like that to stock some fun fish in. 10 acres and one 20' foot hole may not produce huge fish though. A body of water of that size...may stunt their growth? I dunno...what do I know? Not much. How deep will it freeze, ie, winter fish kill from the ice, etc. What's the body of water's forage base and how much is there? You putting any shad in to help the bass and Tigers both? I keep telling my wife..."IF" we'd be fortunate enough to hit a lottery...we'd be buying a good plot of land and I'd commission contractors to come in and dig, build and design my own lake to be stocked with my favorite species. It's a pipe dream I know...but it keeps me dreaming and hoping! :D Again...I don't think your money's wasted. I think it'll be fun to keep your eye on something like that, a fun experiment to say the least. Do the other 9 homeowners on the lake know you've done something like this? Reason I ask is, I'd hate for one of them to be out there fishing and catch one of your Tigers and either not know what it is and kill it or think that they shouldn't be in there and kill it in order to protect the other species in the water. Edited by MACK 12/7/2004 3:55 PM | ||
| The Handyman |
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Posts: 1046 | 12 to 14" fingerlings are pretty decent size to start with and by the second season those fish will average about 18" 21" and from then on its alot slower. Your chances of all 30 surviving is real good,might be a hair to many for that size pond but all in all I beleive that they will reach a very fun catching size 8-10 years down the road. Its a blast playing with those little buggers! Good luck! | ||
| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | No winter kill that I know of. It's a very healthy lake system according to the dnr. It's a dark muck bottom lake with some rock shorelines and beaches. Natural spring lake. It's a surprise only one other neighbor knows. I will be stocking in the stealth tonight! LOL | ||
| MACK |
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Posts: 1086 | Do you think maybe you should let the others know that they're in there? That way you can help protect your investment? I'm just afraid they may catch one and do away with it, defeating your purpose. But then again...once you tell two or three people...you may as well have it posted in the paper and on the TV...."You stock it...they will come." :D Is this water protected and only homeowners that live on the lake allowed to fish it? Or is the public able to have access to it to fish as well? Just thinking out loud... | ||
| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | Mission Tiger went smoothly as planned. Now I need to kill 5 years before the real fun begins. Private no worries. Attachments ---------------- HPIM0091.JPG (165KB - 147 downloads) HPIM0096.JPG (114KB - 313 downloads) HPIM0092.JPG (130KB - 137 downloads) | ||
| MACK |
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Posts: 1086 | Awesome photos! Thanks for sharing. Good to hear it's private too. Good luck to you with your own 'lil private muskie lake! Congrats. | ||
| The Handyman |
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Posts: 1046 | Make sure they got some fatheads for while they are little, musky candy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those like like super specimens, way cool! | ||
| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | Rob from MMF said they will search the lake for minnows..At this point they could be any where. I would love to dump minnows in the lake but this isn't a small pond. The bass are dormant this time of year so no other predators should threaten them. I wonder if they will pack and work for food together. I hope my babies make it thru the night.. So before I released them I played Slayer for them to make sure they had the correct muskie attitude....SEEK AND DESTROY little ones! | ||
| muskyboy |
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| Too cool, let's fish them in a decade, what do you say? | |||
| Steve Jonesi |
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Posts: 2089 | WaaaaaaY cool!!! Awesome pics! SEARCHIN......SEEK AND DESTROY....They will have a charmed life.And what's the address???? Steve | ||
| Reef Hawg |
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Posts: 3518 Location: north central wisconsin | Sounds like fun man!!! Wish we could do that here in WI!!! Those hybrids only live for 9-12 years and grow at a rate up to 1.5 times as fast as trues. You will have fun sooner than you think. my buddy had a 49" hybrid aged that he caught 4 years ago at 8 or 9. Impressive! as handy said, keep the feed supply in source for the first crucial season. | ||
| Thad |
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Posts: 140 | I bought 3 Tigers the day before Thanksgiving from Minnesota Muskie Farm and put them in a 75 gallon aquarium in my living room. They are a blast to watch & man can they eat. The three of them will go through 3 dozen gold fish in about 2 or 3 days. My 10 year old daughter has named them Tiger, Nemo, and Speedy! After seeing them stalk and eat for a couple of days my wife told me that she now understands why I like muskie fishing so much. She can't get over the speed at which they hit their prey. Just thought I would share! Have a great holiday ... Thad | ||
| tuffy1 |
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Posts: 3242 Location: Racine, Wi | My parents live on a small lake that is stocked with tigers and true muskies. It is a 22 acre private lake. They just stocked it this year again, and I would see them sitting over the weedflats with FAT little bellies. I didn't see them moving together, usually solo, but that's not to say that they don't team up. They will grow prettyfast in there if there is good forage. I have caught them up to 49"s in there lake, and we have a 44 and 45"er this year, seeing a bigger one. One of the neighbors showed me a picture of a 52 that his buddie got out there a couple of years ago. It too is a spring fed lake, so no winter kill. Have a blast with them, and keep throwing your bass type spinnerbaits. (shhhhh) Very cool pics!!!! | ||
| The Handyman |
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Posts: 1046 | FYI, I talked to a friend of Dads from a hatchery and the word is those fish in a well fed , balanced system can reach 15+ years old.(great thing there) Also he said that those fish were more then likely pellet fed and now in the begining of their juvenille life you probably can bring them back to the site of release with pellet food at regular feeding times. He said by there 3rd season this will not work anymore as there feeding cycles will change with age. You can probably bring them around and keep an eye on them for awhile. Pellets are alot cheaper then minnows too! Have fun playing, its a great oppurtunity! | ||
| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | Interesting. Rob from MMF said they definitly were never pellet feed and that's why he has the best muskies on the market and large contracts with MN and other states. But it's worth a try. I wonder where I can score some pellets, Pet shop? Small bite dog food might work. | ||
| MACK |
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Posts: 1086 | Hand fed muskies...now that's cool! Just like a pet...but it's not the family dog! :D :thumbsup: | ||
| Slamr |
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Posts: 7119 Location: Northwest Chicago Burbs | Pellet fed = all surface feeding. As interesting as that might be for topwater fishing....it also makes them susceptable to birds who also like to feed off the surface. Also, if those muskies were raised on live food, they wont take pellets now. If they had been raised on pellets, they would now take pellets, but you cant go the other direction. Trust me, I tried in my tank. | ||
| muskycore |
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Posts: 341 | Makes sense. So I don't have to feed them which is a good thing since they (the neighbors) won't refer to me as the crazy guy who feeds the fish and mutters grow bastard grow. I'll just wait 1095 days from now and check in on them with a with hook set. Later | ||
| sorenson |
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Posts: 1764 Location: Ogden, Ut | I have a bit of experience w/ these critters and some of the things mentioned ring true, others would be 'stretching' it a bit (solely based on my experience; not to say it can't happen). We started the tiger program in Utah by stocking 7-9" fish because almost ALL of the literature out there indicates that stocking muskies any smaller than that into populations of black basses will result in failure. This is expensive. We had very poor survival of the initial stocks. Birds got most of them - the fish were too stupid to avoid avian predators; they had no fear response. The program was about to be scrapped until a couple of us just decided to try a cheaper way - stocking 2-3" fingerlings. It wasn't supposed to work, but it was cheap and these fish had amazing escape instincts and disappeared into the vegetation immediately upon hitting the water. I had a hard time waiting until that fall to gill net... Needless to say, they survived and flourished. By mid-November I have measured young-of-the-year fish up to 20" (most 14-17); yearlings at 27 (most 22-25), by their 3rd year most were over 30". Our state record is just over 53" I believe. I have never seen a documented report of a non-captive fish reaching over 9 years of age. Ours burned out at about 7. They tend to eat smaller prey than either of their purebred parental stocks (I have no idea why - it makes no sense) and they have a curious habit of swimming on the surface with their heads out of the water for extended periods (I tell the public they're searching for PWCs) Enjoy your experiment, but don't be afraid to try a few smaller ones if what you're doing doesn't work. By the way, your stocking rate is about 1.5 to 2 times the recommended density, but I don't think I'd go any lower. Kent | ||
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