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Location: Ft. Wayne Indiana | END UP WITH 2 BACK HANDS |
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Location: Tomahawk, Wi | I'm bitting my tongue ! On this one......  |
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| There goes another lawsuit......... |
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Location: Chicago, Beverly | Oh...this was the boat with Duane Landemier? Yeah, i've been in tourney's against him before on shelby... DEAD POSITIVE they didn't need the binocs to win... Duane has won the Directors DNR Musky Tourney there at least once but I am thinking more then once, can't remember for sure... He really seems to know his way around that lake.. |
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| Practice makes perfect.No,PERFECT PRACTICE makes perfect.And that's all I've got to say about that(Said like Forrest Gump). Steve |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | I would like to see no cell phones, no binocualrs, and radios on an official channel only. Several reasons for this, not the least of which the rules would help eliminate charges of tailpiping and will keep the teams out there on the pattern they worked to establish. |
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| so somebody goes out and wins a tournament...using any tools available to them within the rules...
some who didn't win said tournament say, "it might be 'within the rules' but isn't it really cheating?"
yup.
and those grapes were probably sour anyway.
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| Using all (and I meen allllll) the tools casting, trolling, GPS, cell phone, depthfinder, binoks, line counters, exct. is the key to being on top of fish all the time. If your not you are not using all you resources. Information is the key and we are in the information world. Is monitoring this site cheating... we guess what it is just another good tool to keep you on the hot bite. I didn't catch over 160 fish last year because I didn't use this site and many tools. If you watch a Bass, Walleye, or even Crappie tournament you will see all these "tools" used and more. Sorry, but if you want u can go out with a cane pole, cotton line, no motor and no depthfinder but a stone and string and catch muskies... but I prefer to live in the modern age. Information is the key to success no matter what media you use to get it.
Good Hunting,
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Location: Tomahawk, Wi | Well Said!  |
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| Geez! I thought they were bird watching. Are you telling me they were watching me catch zip. Hope they learned something. Maybe that's how they won. They watch me and did the reverse. Really, do you think it matters. Give me a break. |
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| These 2 fisherman did there home work on this lake, that is why they won not from watching others. I fished beside then for 2 days and only caught 1 32" fish I was using the same baits and trolling the same as they were and in the same location. I just didn't have it all together this time and most of us didn't. Steve @ Duane did a great job and are the true champions of this tournament .
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Larry Manning
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| I do not use a cell phone for the tournaments,but when I was having medical problems a few tourneys on the water I am glad I had a cell phone,so for safety i believe a cell phone cannot be taken away,especially since Tom stygar is a peramedic,on the PMTT Trail and can evulate your problem much faster with a cell phone. What do you guys think about the putting out an anchor so no else can fish a spot? I as most anglers have a HUGE problem with this.0723 Bill ramsey
Edited by 0723 5/22/2004 12:48 AM
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Look at the Professional Walleye trail rules. This is the premier walleye circuit out there, refelcting rules that were designed to create an atmosphere where the Pro and his Amature compete on as level a playing field as is possible. The radio requirement on a specific channel is important, and answers the 'emergency' issue well. |
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| Probably one of the most idiotic posts ever on this board, so, naturally I need to put my opinions in.
If you choose to fish tournaments where money and prestige are the objects being awarded the winner, please, expect the contestants to use EVERY method and avenue for success as long as it is not specifically against the rules. To expect otherwise is to be both naive and ignorant of how these things are done. If you don't like something, whine and complain to the director and hope it gets changed before the next contest, but don't blame someone else for trying to win a contest.
Lets get real. If I was going into a contest like Shelbyville evidently is, I would try and get a GPS run of 50 to 60 trolling muskies in Lithia springs built up, and then I would go from mark to mark on my trolling run and cover every structural and cover situation that might hold a fish. If I felt someone else had this information, and I didn't, I would try and exactly copy their trolling route. Think successful trolling is just luck?
If you are coming into a lake cold turkey and pre fishing 2-3 days, you MIGHT find 1/3 of the spots and 5-6 baits and presentation that are above average. Be aware though that some of these guys are networking with area pros, or amateurs not in the tourney, that are giving up precise locations and precise presentations. think they might have an advantage over you?
Remember just one fish per tourney can leave you sitting great at the end of the year in this thing...
Somebody wants to sit on a good spot? Gives up finding active fish elsewhere in the hopes that 2-3 active fish will show during the tourney. Might win it all that way. Also if it is a well known spot, their fish may be removed before they get to fish in the morning or after they leave at night. Also fish in well known spots tend to be bait and boat shy at times. Same strategy open to you, why get mad that someone uses it, if you think it is that good of a strategy use it yourself.
If you are fishing with partner and are basically lone rangers out there...tough luck. Teams network with telephones or radio. Here is a situation. Team A has one, or two, good fish already and are in contention for winning if they can pick up another fish of any size. Team C has no fish and seem headed into oblivion toward the end of the tourney. Now Team C raises a hot fish of small to medium size. Will not put them in the cash even if they catch it, but...if team A were to catch it, might be worth $10,000 to them. Now my question is, do you think team A and team C might be able to make a deal?(If you answer no to this question please reference the term "Pollyana" in your Disney dictionary!!)
So, that's the way it is in tourney fishing. The successful pioneers in tourneys are often the ones that cause rules to be made. They find a way no one else had thought of, and are not shy about using it to put dollars in their pocket. Do you guys remember the deal where Roland Martin got hold of a jet boat to go up river in some bass tournament and ended up fishing someplace no one else could even reach and thus winning the tournament? Now half the guys were mad about it and thought Roland in effect cheated, but the real pros were thinking, "#*^@, that Roland is a smart SOB! Wish Ida thought of that!!". |
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| The only time it's a problem with someone camping on a spot is if it prevents others from gaining access to other water beyond where the TeamRV is anchored up. |
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| I was in no way mad that team anchored,I iust think it is very unprofessional.By all means other teams could do this but in my humble opinon chose to have to much class and ethics to do this.When a team did this a few years ago I never seen that team the whole tournament,I thought it was rotten for the other teans that wanted to fish the spot who chose not to race and anchor there at 7am.0723 bill ramsey
Edited by 0723 5/22/2004 10:26 AM
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Location: Pelican Lake/Three Lakes Chain | I'm really confused over this whole post.
When did watching what others do become unethical?
What makes an anchor classless?
Neither one of these scenarios affects your boat and fishing success one iota. If you want to win the tourney don't worry so much what others are doing and go out and catch a fish!!!
I really enjoy fishing musky tournaments myself, but am becoming concerned with some of the tourney attitudes I am seeing pop up. I think they might make the whole group of us look like a bunch of elitist @sses. |
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