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| I'm about to get my new boat and start trolling for musky, so I was wondering which of the supernatural crankbaits I should get. I'm in the Northwest Corner of PA where the forage primarily consists of shad, perch, shiners, and baby carp and the lakes have an average depth between 15 and 20 feet. |
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Location: Walker, MN | I'd personally start with 10" and 8Five Mattlocks. Mix in a jointed one if you can find one. These baits have the most wander and action at slower speeds in my opinion. Run the 1st or 2nd pin, 3.2-3.5 mph. Good luck! |
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Location: deephaven mn | Masqui stated that the Mattlocks have more wander and that is true, making it a more aggreesive action. The Headlock still wanders and catch fish as well. Duff the maker off Supernatural baits likes the Headlock in colder water situations and cold front situations. Lip Locks are great true they are bigger yet and costly you can buy 2 of the others to one Lip Lock |
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| kap - 5/14/2024 8:15 AM
Masqui stated that the Mattlocks have more wander and that is true, making it a more aggreesive action. The Headlock still wanders and catch fish as well. Duff the maker off Supernatural baits likes the Headlock in colder water situations and cold front situations. Lip Locks are great true they are bigger yet and costly you can buy 2 of the others to one Lip Lock
Ok, what is different about the liplock? |
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Location: Walker, MN | If you want to run a truly big bait, the LipLock is the bomb. Built like a tank, and the most unique action you'll ever see. |
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| Do you think the liplock would be too big considering the forage in the area being primarily shad/perch/shiners? Do you think the color of the lure matters? |
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| Read the specs on a Liplock. I have a Headlock but it pales in comparison. 15" long, body is 2" x 3" and weight of 20 oz. That is one hefty lure. |
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| But the lip is 3 inches, it says it's 12"x3"x2", which is around the maximum size of a shad/perch. I just don't want to get a lure that is too big for the water I fish. I'm not sure if that's too big of a lure for most muskies.
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Location: Walker, MN | If they are keying in on thredfin shad, you might want to try some small lures. Big baits can work too, trial and error. I don't have any local experience there. Some will run two big baits up front to get the fish's attention, then two smaller baits come through second and get eaten. |
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Location: Walker, MN | FWIW, here's a size comp of some of the more popular trolling cranks.
Llungen Chad Shad
Llungen 22 Long
Legend Perchbait
8Five Mattlock
8Five Jointed Mattlock
10" Mattlock
12" Headlock
LipLock
One side note: I feel like a jointed lure can sometimes resemble a couple smaller baitfish, but still has a very big presence in the water.
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| The first bait i would buy is an 8.5 mattlock, firetiger. |
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| Ok, I'll get an 8.5 inch mattlock. Do you guys think the liplock is too big for my geographical location? |
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| PennsylvaniaMuskie - 5/18/2024 9:21 PM Ok, I'll get an 8.5 inch mattlock. Do you guys think the liplock is too big for my geographical location? A Liplock is $350. Too much to justify IMO. |
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| Baby Mallard - 5/19/2024 4:31 PM
PennsylvaniaMuskie - 5/18/2024 9:21 PM Ok, I'll get an 8.5 inch mattlock. Do you guys think the liplock is too big for my geographical location? A Liplock is $350. Too much to justify IMO.
I could justify it if it is as good of a lure as I hear it is. My concern is just that it will be way too big for the muskie around me considering the main forage is shad, shiners, and perch and I've heard the average muskie around me is in the high 30s to low 40s, so the lure would be more than a third of the size of the muskie, whereas the 8.5 inch mattlock would be a quarter to a fifth of the size of the average muskie. |
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| A few thought's Do you size wise match the hatch? Or I've fished with guide who catches very large fish and who believes that no lure is too big! Or like the late Tom Gelb muskies like smaller 5 inch easy digestible food that are easy to suck in.
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| chuckski - 5/20/2024 7:40 AM
A few thought's Do you size wise match the hatch? Or I've fished with guide who catches very large fish and who believes that no lure is too big! Or like the late Tom Gelb muskies like smaller 5 inch easy digestible food that are easy to suck in.
I think matching the hatch would make the most sense considering that's the primary forage, although it isn't unheard of for perch/gizzard shad to reach 12+ inches and the 15 inches of the liplock is including the lip. |
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