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| I can't target musky in good conscience for at least a couple weeks due to insane temps and low rainfall. I'm bored of multi-species already, so I am trying to think through how to use this time to improve.
1. I need to get better with my humminbird helix's. Any video recommendations you have on youtube or similar would be appreciated. Bonus if musky focused.
2. Maybe map the lakes I fish myself? Humminbird is usually solid but, on one lake in particular, it's so far off that you wonder if the person who did the original scan was on different water body.
Past that, I am trying to figure out how best to use this time. It certainly can't be anything not focused on musky. That would be sacrilege. |
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| "Past that, I am trying to figure out how best to use this time. It certainly can't be anything not focused on musky. That would be sacrilege."
All the masters hang up their rods, put the boats in storage and play putt putt golf. Joe Bucher has over 3,000 holes in one. |
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Location: Cedarburg, WI. | I've mapped out weedbed's over large flats i fish on real hot days before. Dropped waypoints at the actual point of the point so i never cut it off again etc,etc. About all got. Cya on the golf course!
Edited by Slopski 7/25/2023 2:56 PM
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| If the temps are too hot to fish I'll just roll out and Autochart spots I haven't yet. |
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| boat control, electronics, and casting, are things every single angler in the world can get better at on the water. hook sharpening, organization, and anything that can improve efficiency can be done off the water.
personally i think if you are bored multi species fishing then you have probably peaked on your fishing potential. |
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Location: NW WI | Welp; rough fish normally doesn't normally fit most folks definition of multi species. So yeah, map your system for a bit, drop your pins and course your routes for when you do go back. In the meantime, drop anchor and toss your 3 lines or whatever out for carp,gar,bowfin, cat* or sturgeon*.
*I know they ain't rough.
Than enjoy yourself in the boat while you wait |
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Location: Lower Peninsula | Sight fish bowfin!!!
It’s an art. First you have find the area they are in, identify specific fish, and then pitch some sort of bass jig in their gulp range. I like tube jigs best! |
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| It's hot, so go swimming! Bring your goggles  |
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| I bass fish when the water temps are too warm to muskie fish. |
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Location: NW WI | FlyPiker - 7/26/2023 12:23 PM
It's hot, so go swimming! Bring your goggles ;)
Don't forget the spear! |
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Location: oswego, il | I would still multi-species fish just try new tactics and find new spots. Change what you are doing. If you live near a great lake take advantage of the cold water fishery. |
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Location: E. Tenn | The lakes are too busy, and it's too hot down here, and forecast to stay that way the next couple of weeks. I'm doing the stuff the folks up north do through the winter... reel maintenance, tweaking & building lures, sharpening hooks, clearing off the work table.. Boat maintenance is all caught up... Waiting on the TVA to start lowering the headwater lakes for the last half of August then up to the Northwoods in September, and Cave Run in October. |
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Location: Walker, MN | Sorry, I'd be "ledge fishing" for largemouth if I were you. Seems like a great way to dial in the electronics, and there's 40# bags swimming down there. Good call laying off the muskies though! |
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Location: Brighton CO. | I could go Trout fishing in the mountains but so many people have moved here I get tied of the crowds. I'll be taking a late October trip to Wisconsin with that I've been changing some hooks, doing some minor paining (changing belly color) making some count down lures and playing with different diving lips. September is a good fishing month around here. It's been hot and a good time to be in the basement workshop. |
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Location: Duluth | Go trout fishing and when on the water map out spots while enjoying the fact that you are on the water.
The hot weather really does suck |
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Location: Brighton CO. | I was at the Hardware store today and they had the first of the Halloween stuff out! |
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| For real, if you want to responsibly fish muskies mid-summer head to a river. |
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| Shoot my AK 47,,Minnesota legalize marijuana soon |
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Location: PA Angler | Usually start trying new lures that I make just seeing if they swim right and not trying to actually catch fish. I’ll go for catfish or carp right now. I’ll sit in the shade. Most of the time it’s to hot and don’t even get a bit so I’ll just scout new waters also. |
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Location: Athens, Ohio | The only certain way to "improve" your fishing is to buy more baits! m |
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Location: E. Tenn | Another weekend down here with a boating fatality... Seems like this time a bass boat and another vessel got together at high speed, and a five year old kid paid the ultimate price...
I think I'll just sit here in the AC and tinker until the kids go back to school next week.
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| Are other species adversely affected by "warm water" catching or is it just muskies? And if it's not just.muskies, are they just.more important than other fish? Just curious on the science and what authority people use to draw these conclusions. |
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| scp - 8/2/2023 6:09 PM
Are other species adversely affected by "warm water" catching or is it just muskies? And if it's not just.muskies, are they just.more important than other fish? Just curious on the science and what authority people use to draw these conclusions.
Different species thrive at different temps. Largemouth studies indicate 31C (89F) to be the "tipping point" where largie mouth mortality appears to spike. To quote:
Water temperature influences stress responses (Strange 1980; Davis et al. 1984; Barton and Schreck 1987; Gustaveson et al. 1991; Barton 2002), presumably due in part to direct effects on metabolic demands and production of metabolic waste (Beamish 1970; Cech et al. 1979). Because the vast majority of fishes are ectothermic, they select temperatures that maximize the available portion of metabolism for growth, activity, reproduction, and other functions (Kelsch 1996). In Largemouth Bass, the optimal temperature range for homeostasis in juveniles is 26–29°C (Diaz et al. 2007), whereas in adults a range of 24–30°C is optimal for growth (Venables et al. 1978; Stuber et al. 1982) and temperatures over 31°C may be avoided (Block et al. 1984). The well-established correlation of tournament mortality with water temperature (Schramm et al. 1987; Neal and Lopez-Clayton 2001; Gale et al. 2013) coincides with greater stress responses at higher temperatures; however, greater metabolic demands for oxygen and lower availability at warmer temperatures may also affect survival.
Musky appear to be lower then bass in the 78-80 range. A VA DNR report using 80F as the cut can be found at https://dwr.virginia.gov/blog/study-of-musky-warm-water-mortality-co...
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Location: NW WI | scp - 8/2/2023 6:09 PM
Are other species adversely affected by "warm water" catching or is it just muskies? And if it's not just.muskies, are they just.more important than other fish? Just curious on the science and what authority people use to draw these conclusions.
Also keep in mind that muskies are expensive, take time to mature, and aren't very good at reproducing, and have a lower population density. Due to the difficultly of the sport those who get hooked choose to get educated to better their catching #'s. Within that self education more aspects of conservation are learned along with hunting techniques. Because of that, most of us individuals hold a higher level of respect and care for our preferred species. It's not a matter of not caring for X and only caring for Y; as it is we care alot about Y and X's density can take alot more hits and/or often ends up as tablefair.
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Location: PA Angler | scp - 8/2/2023 6:09 PM
Are other species adversely affected by "warm water" catching or is it just muskies? And if it's not just.muskies, are they just.more important than other fish? Just curious on the science and what authority people use to draw these conclusions.
The answer is yes. There are certain times you should not fish for different species. Some do better in warm water but none do good in hot waters.
Trout are the worst in warm waters. |
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| if I'm reading the responses correctly, and I know that I am, during these periods, shouldn't people also be encouraged to stop fishing for colder water species like walleye, northern, and perch?
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Location: oswego, il | scp - 8/3/2023 8:52 AM
if I'm reading the responses correctly, and I know that I am, during these periods, shouldn't people also be encouraged to stop fishing for colder water species like walleye, northern, and perch?
Depends on if you are keeping them. The bigger the size fish the more they will fight and stress as well. Depth of water is also a factor. Perch fishing on lake Michigan for example is most often a catch and keep based on the condition of the swim bladder regardless of temps. |
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Location: PA Angler | scp - 8/3/2023 8:52 AM
if I'm reading the responses correctly, and I know that I am, during these periods, shouldn't people also be encouraged to stop fishing for colder water species like walleye, northern, and perch?
It would depend on water temps not the outside air. I know a lot of trout fishermen including myself will stop fishing for trout but some will head to the mountains where the creeks are fed by springs and can support healthy trout all year. |
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| There are many reasons for various walleye regulations on Mille Lacs, but the one regarding the warm water period, is based on date they have collected, that indicates that there is significantly more hooking mortality of walleye, when the water gets hot. |
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