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Location: Canada | I make some 174# leaders without swivels, and I just tie my braid direct to the wire loop. Is there an upside/reason for adding a welded ring to the leader to tie the line to? Would it make a difference with 105# wire (is some wire too thin to tie braid to)? TIA for any education.
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| I tie braid (and fluorocarbon) directly to wire a lot with no issues...all the way down to 44# single strand wire for bass gear and flies... |
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| is it single strand or multi strand wire?
if it is multistrand i would rather have the braid rub against the smooth welded ring rather than the multistrand wire.
If it is single strand wire, i cant see any advantages to using a welded ring to tie the braid on. |
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Location: Canada | Thanks for the feedback. It's single strand. |
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| The advantage of tying your line to a split ring attached to the leader is to ensure you don't reel the leader into the rod's top eye as you go into your 8. The split ring will stop at the eye. A twisted leader loop, because it's smaller, will not. The risk of reeling that leader loop into your top eye is two-fold. First, you'll blow out the top eye ring prol on the very next cast. Second, if you happen to hook a boatside fish on the 8 you won't be able to rely on your drag system or release line to let a green beast get away from the boat a ways till you wear her down and bring her back to the net. This is where you break the rod.
You might say you won't reel the loop of a wire leader past your rod tip in the first place. I say that if you marathon fish, or fish at night, or marathon all day and into the night, you will certainly make the mistake of reeling that loop into the top eye. The split ring is the solution to a probable fatigue mistake.
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Location: Canada | Ranger - 6/1/2021 9:21 PM
The advantage of tying your line to a split ring attached to the leader is to ensure you don't reel the leader into the rod's top eye as you go into your 8. The split ring will stop at the eye. A twisted leader loop, because it's smaller, will not. The risk of reeling that leader loop into your top eye is two-fold. First, you'll blow out the top eye ring prol on the very next cast. Second, if you happen to hook a boatside fish on the 8 you won't be able to rely on your drag system or release line to let a green beast get away from the boat a ways till you wear her down and bring her back to the net. This is where you break the rod.
You might say you won't reel the loop of a wire leader past your rod tip in the first place. I say that if you marathon fish, or fish at night, or marathon all day and into the night, you will certainly make the mistake of reeling that loop into the top eye. The split ring is the solution to a probable fatigue mistake.
Thanks. I'm thinking the loops I make on my leaders must be bigger than your loops. They aren't smaller than the rings on an average muskie-sized swivel, or than a #5 Worth welded ring. I definitely reel either the swivel-ring or the leader-loop up to/against my tip top eye fairly often. As you say, it happens. Sometimes pretty violently. I guess my loops are big enough to avoid the problem you describe because I haven't popped a tip insert in many years. |
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| mcnewbski - 6/1/2021 10:33 PM
Ranger - 6/1/2021 9:21 PM
The advantage of tying your line to a split ring attached to the leader is to ensure you don't reel the leader into the rod's top eye as you go into your 8. The split ring will stop at the eye. A twisted leader loop, because it's smaller, will not. The risk of reeling that leader loop into your top eye is two-fold. First, you'll blow out the top eye ring prol on the very next cast. Second, if you happen to hook a boatside fish on the 8 you won't be able to rely on your drag system or release line to let a green beast get away from the boat a ways till you wear her down and bring her back to the net. This is where you break the rod.
You might say you won't reel the loop of a wire leader past your rod tip in the first place. I say that if you marathon fish, or fish at night, or marathon all day and into the night, you will certainly make the mistake of reeling that loop into the top eye. The split ring is the solution to a probable fatigue mistake.
Thanks. I'm thinking the loops I make on my leaders must be bigger than your loops. They aren't smaller than the rings on an average muskie-sized swivel, or than a #5 Worth welded ring. I definitely reel either the swivel-ring or the leader-loop up to/against my tip top eye fairly often. As you say, it happens. Sometimes pretty violently. I guess my loops are big enough to avoid the problem you describe because I haven't popped a tip insert in many years.
Something you can do is buy the glow in the dark beads that owner makes and put that on you line before you tie to the leader. Its a cushion plus a visual in low light. I made some leaders over winter and made a few that had welded rings on both ends for jerkbaits and glider style lures, within 10 minutes I took that off and never used again. That extra pivot screwed up my action. I don't get the chance to figure 8 much fishing from the bank. I've only ever had issues with the longer leaders I bought when I first started hunting these beasts ( 18" flouro tyrant tackle leaders ) I hate them for the most part because their is always a hillside right behind you it seems. Like I said pick up a pack of glow beads and keepem in you box or bag. |
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