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| Hey everybody, just wondering what FLOATING shallow or deep diving crankbaits have gotten good results??? Especially from the shore as I'm stuck bank yankin. Whether they be small,medium or large. What color combos? I for the most part have bought and used more naturalish colors without much success even in bass fishing. Been trying to learn how to fish artificial baits and get success I troll too just that the shoulders get a little tired after a few miles hahaa thanks in advance |
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Location: Walker, MN | I like the H2O Cranky Nitro Shallow and the Cranky Nitro Halftail Shallow. Crazy wide action, and you can add weight to the Nitro Shallow for bomb casts and to get a bit deeper. |
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Location: Mt. Zion, IL | ss shad and 22 long. shad/white colors have worked best for me. |
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| Thanks keep them coming |
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Location: On the River | Big Fork twitch diver |
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| DD's, DDD's, Depth Raiders, Salt water Rapala |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Shallow Invader! |
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Location: oswego, il | You will get as many responses as there are baits. Your better off finding the right crankbait to fish the spots you fish. No one responding will be offering an opinion based on that knowledge. |
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Location: Cedarburg, WI. | I second the shallow invader. Even for bank fishing this bait can worked really slow with a high rod tip and still have great action just sub-surface. Also crane baits due to their buoyancy. |
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| Thats what I'm trying to do, find the ones that aren't just pretty wrappers but produce and apply them for my situations. Not enough money or time to buy and try them all. I usually try to find areas where access to shallow and deep water (3-30') are within a football field size around stream inlets,channels, or points and work that. Another spot in the river i found at a dam has about 8-14', while slack water along islands has 3-6' with weeds and channels to the deeper stuff. Most lures by different manufacturers are very similar, just trying to find ones that have perfected and added a lil something extra to the mix. For instance just picked up some phantom softballs 6" new to jerkbaits, and these have very good qualities to them |
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| Sorry spellchecker sucks I meant phantom soft tails |
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Location: oswego, il | So you need a variety of crankbaits from shallow to deep. Other factors to consider is water flow and water temp. You don't want an agressive wobble in cold water like you would when the water is warmer. Fish locations change, the slack water as well with increased current. A free might hold several fish under a normal current but won't have enough slack water in bigger current. Same can be true with rocks.and bottom changes. The higher the current the harder it will be to put a bait in your spots, keep them there and maybe not even get them down to the bottom of the fish are there. All of the bait suggestions above will work in the right situations as will many others. Add some deep divers. |
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| I fish for pike in europe so i wont comment on how effective lures are for muskie, but ive found tgat, despite its size, the custom x 12 inch kc special is really good if you want a shallow diving big crankbait. Its very easy to fish it above shallow weed beds so i finde it very easy to use from the shore. |
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| So you see my dilemma lol I don't want to have 150 crankbaits. Trying to piece together a couple dozen or so to cover sizes, depths, jointed or solid,, colors, actions, rattles, etc. I created this thread for someone in this type of situation to help sort through all of the options.
Thanks for everybody's help |
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Location: NE Ohio | 4" BAKERS, MONSTER SHADS MED. DIVER, CRIME BOSS by boss shad. |
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| I ended up getting a few new baits, I went with
4 Joe bucher shallow raiders. 1 regular,2 jointed, and 1 9"
3 shallow invaders
2 10" jakes
And it only cost a kidney lol
I'll end up adding smaller ones too as I go but figured for this time of year probably be better off with a little larger sizes. Been out 4 times this past week and threw about 50 different baits from small bucktails- double 10's, phantom, wtd,whopper plopper, super shad raps, 7" cranks, 10" cranks, jointed swim baits, medusas, bulldawgs, poseidon, had a few out there swarming but nothing would committ. I think 1 did eat a beaver as I was leaving the one day. I saw the beaver then a splash then there was nothing, he never came back up. I haven't been catching any but it isn't for lack of trying. Just gotta keep plugging away at it. Hopefully these new baits will bring one in lol Thanks again for all the advice on baits |
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| I was in the same boat and I can tell you that buying multiples of one lure before trying it is a baaaad idea! I bought many lures that were just too heavy/ran too deep for the shore fishing I was doing. I have settled on 1oz spinnerbaits (lil hustlers), lil eagle and rabid squirrel bucktails, a top raider or similar, a walk the dog bait, and the rest is jerkbaits (soft and hard, 6" to 9").
I have found going slightly smaller/lighter really helps from shore. You can work them a lot better and it's just more fun when you're not reeling in 10lbs of weeds every cast.
You'll hook into one soon! |
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| Thats exactly why I've been looking at floating shallow baits. I'd rather have an arsenal of them and add in deeper running here and there for when I find those spots where they don't get hung up. Losing a bait here and their is unfortunate but part of the game. So far I've lost 3, 2 on snags, 2 on backlash breakoffs, but the 1 was a walk the dog that i was able to get back with a bucktail. I've started tossing floating crankbaits first to feel out the area then work from there. |
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Location: Shoreview, MN | 1) Shallow Invaders - work them fast as an alternative to burning bucktails
2) 9” Grandma’s - my go to for a diver - casts, twitches, runs deeper and figure 8’s easier than a 10” Jake
3) Depthraider - when I want something to go deeper than the Grandma or working dense weed edges (more buoyant)
4) 10” Jake when I want a bigger profile with deeper sound and shallower runner than the Grandma
I usually have one rod rigged with a Shallow Invader or buck tail and a second with a Grandma about 80% of the time, Use the Jake the least... but that’s due to my preferred style of fishing as Jakes sure do catch fish, |
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| I've been out the last 2 days testing some of my new lures and I have to say I like the shallow invaders and their nice wide action and depth ranges from 1- 4 feet or so. Perfect for what i was looking for. I like those 10" jakes too, been preferring to throw them on my xh instead of heavy. I can get a better snapping rip with that setup. They don't seem to dives as deep as advertised though which I kinda like because it gives an opportunity to work different depths with the different lures. They have a nice wiggle to them. I also like the 9" shallow raiders they have a really wide wobble and thump. They also seem to get deeper than the jakes. I haven't got the 7"ers yet but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna likem too. Im going to add a few 5-7" snack sized baits as well. Their is some others that you suggested that down the road im gonna try. Also now that I'm getting the hang of crankbaits better I'd like to add a few deep divers as well. Just not as many. I have a 5" baby depthraider I bought a while back and have been liking how that thing pulses. Those lil baits are like mini subwoofers when you rippem lol. Is their a meaningful difference in plastic vs wood for deep divers? What are the differences?
Now as far as the shad style baits,I have some super shad raps which I like but was wondering if you have noticed differences with plastic and wood, shallow vs deep diving, rattles or without, shad style colors vs walleye etc... being more effective?
Am I right in thinking that wider wobble is better for darker, stained water?
Unfortunately I got snagged up the other day on my 7" firetiger, must have wedged into something nasty because even being a floater 3 hours later it never surfaced. The good news is that EVERYBODY makes firetiger. So is their any actions ( tighter compared to wider wobble. Etc )that work better with firetiger compared with other colors? Thanks again |
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| I've modified the shallow invaders as I saw on a video from Doug wehner( I believe ) its simple,quick, and cheap. If done right doesn't impede the action at all while protecting the tails from bite off and hooks from tangling. All you need is a split ring and about 4" of single strand wire, I used a no.5 ring from stealth tackle and 174# American wire. For all 3 took less than 30 minutes ( first time twisting wire) .if you haven't done this with your baits I would suggest you do. 3 mods cost about $1 and 1 tail costs $10.
Check out the video if interested
Just some info I'd like to pass on |
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| Are slammer tackle lures any good? I was looking at getting a few if they float. Want to add a few deep divers. I was looking at these, as well as grandma and depth raiders.
10" deep shad
6" deep shad
5" shallow shad
5 or 6" minnows
Have you noticed any benefits of having that refractive coating compared to just paint?
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Location: SE, WI. | Slammers R a great line of Cranks. I have my favorites. If your fishin shoreline, check out the new this year 5” minnow. Caught 70-80 Game fish on this bait, all specie, first 5 weeks of our season . A must for cranking shallow, or Twitchen. Yes, they float. JD |
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| youre growing quite the collection...
i do most all my fishing with the same few baits, but i know the nuances of each very well.
you mentioned the baby depth raider, thats probably my #1 lure. baby shallow raider is a very close second.
the slammer 6" minnow is an awesome twitch if you need something for that niche and the 5" minnow has a lot of thump for its size.
i prefer storm flatsticks to jakes because they have tougher lips |
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| Thanks guys. Yeah I have been building a collection, i have a few flatsticks and kicking sticks as well lol. So far kickin stick has my only 1. Without a shop near me with these lures it makes it tough to choose and talk to guys to see what works round here from the banks.I also over analyze and think too much which is why I need this one and that one lol with being new to this and figuring what actually works around here for me its going to take some time and experimenting. I toss around 20 baits or so everytime I go out trying so see what I like and how to actually work them. I don't have the luxury of drifting to another spot constantly so I have to tough it out and learn tactics and lures. So ill just have to try some out and ill pick through the ones I like and sell or trade the ones I dont.
I was really liking the idea of those 5"ers to hopefully grab a few bass along the way ?? I'm gonna get the sucker pattern it has that minnow/ shad look of alot of baitfish around here. What patterns have you been having success with? I'm also looking at a 9" grandma in rainbow trout for the stocked lakes and streams around here. The muskies had them,perch,and shad jump outta the water today lol. I was working a 9" shallow raiders and had a few swarm and even had one follow to the bank but wouldn't bite. It was only 26-32" but would've probably bit if I could've figure 8ed but thats tough when you are on boulders. |
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| growing up nearly all my fishing was from the bank or a canoe, so figure 8s werent an option(until the canoe). i focused really hard on improving my mid cast trigger techniques. thats why im still such a minnow bait/twitch guy now. any piece of grass/weed/log/rock that you can speed up near and twitch past, being random, no steady cadennce, long pauses, and getting your bait to respond after you bounce off cover are all keys.
i focused more on improving those aspects of my fishing while grinding the paint off a few select lures and then added baits as i determines i needed certain ones to cover holes in my arsenal that i couldnt quite fill by adjusting my technique. |
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