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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Not your call or mine to make if it was a legal, and the title clearly says it was a rookie. Your link is busted, so I can't tell what happened, but we do not condone anyone standing in critical judgement of any other angler. Instead, we educate, encourage, and promote CPR and always have. It works where the alternative doesn't for obvious reasons.
Found the story. The guy was not by any measure a muskie angler. It's a miracle he landed the fish at all. He thought it was a State record. Folks like that probably have never heard of CPR. We CPR to minimize the impact of this sort of thing. |
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| A part of educating folks about CPR is telling them about replicas. While musky fishermen are very aware of how good replicas are today, many folks are nut. About 10 years ago, 2 guys in their mid 70s were putting a 12 foot fishing boat in at the landing where I was a clean water/clean boats volunteer. They were going out for crappie and blue gills, something they had been doing together for decades on the same chain, where one has a cottage. They told me about the biggest fish they ever caught, a huge musky that bit on a crappie minnow. Took them half an hour to get to the boat. One got the head in the small net they had, they other grabbed the tail and they lifted it into the boat. Said it was as long as the middle seat in their boat was wide. They briefly considered keeping it so they could have it mounted, but decided that would be a waste and returned it and watched it swim off.
I asked if they had ever heard about replicas and they had not but said if they ever got anything like that again, that would be what they would do. They were bright, well educated men, but replicas were not something they had heard of. |
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Location: Selkirk, Manitoba | sworrall - 8/30/2020 11:59 AM
, but we do not condone anyone standing in critical judgement of any other angler. Instead, we educate, encourage, and promote CPR and always have. It works where the alternative doesn't for obvious reasons.
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Excellent moderating.
It is easy to be righteous in ones beliefs on a subject, but almost always there is a point of view that takes an ethical stance a step further than your own. Note that in Germany C&R is considered illegal - ie. catching fish for "fun" exclusively is unethical and if fishing one should keep and consume it. My in-laws are German and they always wince when over here and fishing we let something go.
Here is a pretty informative video on German fishing and the push of some fisherman to instill a C&R culture. Even though about fly fishing and trout mostly, it touches on the aspects of fishing handling/temperature which of course is paramount in muskie fishing.
FYI - turn on the closed-captioning of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjhYHVGiMTc
I like the line at 14:09...
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Location: WI | Clearly he did not post the “New to musky fishing...” post on muskiefirst and get the requisite proper release tools lecture before making that fateful cast. Nice fish. Not sure how your off 5 inches and 18lbs even if it was his first. |
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Location: Cheyenne, WY most of the year | I'm the bad guy for shaking my head that a fish didn't need to be taken. Ok |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | SummerSchool - 8/30/2020 8:37 PM
I'm the bad guy for shaking my head that a fish didn't need to be taken. Ok[/QUOTE
Who said that?
It’s simple, there’s a obvious line between educating, informing, and assisting new anglers and belittling them. We choose the former to be editorial policy here, and have for two decades. It works. The guy had no idea, and wasn’t exactly surrounded by dedicated Muskie anglers. Not only that but he’s paying to have the fish mounted and then is donating the mount.
CPR was started by Muskies Inc. We collectively were successful BECAUSE we selected the education and information path, and encourage same today.
It was a legal harvest. It’s a fish and a renewable resource. Best stand is to hope CPR is brought to his attention. And he lets future muskies go.
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| I don't know if that link will work or not. I hate that the fish was kept but it happens here in WV every year especially during pre-spawn in our rivers. The fish was a legal catch from waters open to muskie fishing so what can you do. We do our best to educate about CPR but for most people that don't muskie fish Any muskie whether its a 50" fish or a legal 30" fish is something they don't see or catch everyday and sadly they keep them more for bragging rights than anything else. The tide is turning slowly but its turning so all we can do is keep educating people and let them make their own decisions. |
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| Howdy,
I would respectfully submit this thread as Exhibit A for the Muskies Inc thread speculating why people may be reluctant to join.
Yes, any big fish being harvested is a bummer, however, if the fish was legally caught then so be it. Education, as Steve correctly pointed out, is the key.
Even then, we as a group need to do a better job recognizing the damage we ALL do to the resource. Spending 10 hours a day trying to jam the biggest sharpest hooks available into the face of a fish we claim to protect seems contrary to a conservation message. As does ignoring the damage that barbs, deeply embedded hooks, and the stresses of capture all pose to the fish.
By no means am I saying we should stop fishing those 10 hour days, however, we also need to put things in perspective. I believe we could all benefit from following the sound advice of Sgt. Hulka on this issue.
Take care,
Ruddiger
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| I've been fortunate enough to have many first time anglers catch their first musky in my boat.
My advice is always the same. You never catch your first one twice. When I was 12, I caught my first legal musky. And it is on my wall to this very day. Only musky I've ever harvested. I still remember the cast, the hit, the fight...etc.
Most of those folks who got their first fish in my boat? Promptly released it after me explaining replicas. And I've been sent many pictures of the replicas made. It is a great feeling.
A couple of them kept their fish, as is their right. And those are special fish, too.
The goal is to educate concerning options, and let folks make the choice. There is no "right" or "wrong" choice on your first fish. |
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| Instead of being on the internet bashing an "uneducated" angler that was obviously excited by a catch and wanted a memory of it, perhaps you should spend your time advocating for an increase to the legal size limit which has already been shot down in the past. It is a 54" legal limit on most trophy Ontario lakes for a reason |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | Great story. It takes another two clicks to find the article since the link is broken but it's a good read. Almost unbelievable. As far as killing it... good grief, don't you have bigger things to worry about. I can't wait for the opportunity to bonk a 50". Not saying I necessarily will but I'll be sure to check with Lebron before I do anything.
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| medy - 8/31/2020 10:43 AM
Instead of being on the internet bashing an "uneducated" angler that was obviously excited by a catch and wanted a memory of it, perhaps you should spend your time advocating for an increase to the legal size limit which has already been shot down in the past. It is a 54" legal limit on most trophy Ontario lakes for a reason
Would be great to see 54” recognized universally as a legal fish.
Like most I would have loved to hear a release ending but still an incredible story none the less.
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Location: Royalton, MN | In West Virginia, you can keep two musky 30" and up, with a possession limit of four. These regs are the same for pike. Sound pretty silly. |
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Location: Duluth | Great fish and the regs in WV seem to need some updating for sure |
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| Was this in WV? WV and Ontario are completely different. I"m not even sure if musky can grow bigger than that in WV. Maybe so, but it's completely unheard of. People do release big muskies down there too. It's not just a c&r issue. That fish is almost certainly at the end of it's life cycle. Keeping it seems perfectly reasonable to me. Yet, if I caught it in Ontario or MN or WI then I would probably release it. It's all relative!! |
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Location: Royalton, MN | Esox Chaos - 9/4/2020 7:44 AM
Was this in WV?
That's what another article said. Look at the web address: West Virginia Gazette. |
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