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| I have been hearing rumors of this?Anyone hear this?Fonzie |
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| I hope not Fonzie,big business usually ruins everything.0723 |
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Location: Chippewa Falls Wisconsin | Jim Saric is a partner in the PMTT but thats all I know. |
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | Big business in the muskie world!?!?!?! Not in our lifetime. |
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Location: Germantown & Land O Lakes WI | BIG BUSINESS? Have you guys ever been to MHM headquarters? It's the size of garage. |
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| Treats I think in the next few years muskie fishing is going to be huge.Espn will eventually pick up these big tournaments,fox will have BOB MS tourney next year.Lookout,the purses for these big tournaments are about 15 years ahead of the bass tourneys.52 musky hunter is huge business and publication,and probably has a lot of employees.Call up and ask how much it is to advertise in their magazine ,when you hear the price ,then you will understand what a big business they really are.Musky fishing is ready to go to next level very soon which is more than likely bad,but it is happening right here and now.0723 |
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Location: MPLS, MN | Isn't musky Hunter owned by Clear Channel? JK
I guess it depends on what you consider big buissness. Are they big for the muskie scene?? Probably. Are they big like Mcdonalds or Clear Channel? No. I'm with the guy who wrote in to the last Esox Angler talking the future of muskie fishing is Bass fishing.
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Location: Washington, PA | I read the esox letter. I agree with it. Most are for the growth of our sport, and it's growing like crazy. With that growth comes more pressure to our waters, more tournaments, etc.
Personally, I don't like that idea much, but I don't worry about it. As long as Stream X stays under wraps, I'm happy.
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| As soon as a tournament gets on t.v. with live footage,and their are numbers caught ,the craze will happen.After thinking about it more maybe then we will get some stockings compareable to bass stockings.More lakes stocked with fish,musky lakes stocked with more fish who knows?It will probably be bad but you just do not know.I know I can fish some great bass holes and catch nice fish that were not there before the bass craze.These waters are extremely pressured too.I know I can still fish many unpressured waters too,that the big boys wont go to.We will see very soon what the future holds.0723
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| all of the above are subsideries of walmart
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| 0723
Yea I can see it now national advertised tourney ends in a draw because of a cold front shuts lakes down for three days...never will musky fishing be a fraction the size of bass fishing...Musky TV??? And you thought golf was slow!! |
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| All I can tell you if you put 100-150 musky boats on a numbers lake which most tournaments do whatever the conditions are there will be a good number of fish caught.A few lakes true could be bland but most will produce.Just look at the numbers the last few years at these big tournaments.I think you can fill a half hour to hour show easily.May 2004 at shelbyville PMTT you will probably get 75-100 fish based on 125-150 boats.Heck you got 49 for 106 teams in the worst possible conditions.Boring?I do not see it being boring,at the right place and time fish will be caught.I have been amazed at numbers coming in when I am doing squat.That many boats on the water fish will be caught.When the bass tournaments started it took 15 to twenty years to get 100,000 dollar tournaments .Musky tourneys are there in 5 years.Bassmasters classic was 200,000 to a single winner in 2003.Musky team tournament 100,000 next year.It looks to me it is growing faster the the bass tournaments did.Time will tell.0723
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Location: Illinois | I don't think there will be a huge change. Maybe after a televised tourney there will be a temporary increase, but it will level off. Simply stated, most anglers are not willing to put in the time and effort to fish all day for one or two fish. How many novices have you gone out fishing with that want to live bait fish fow walleye, panfish, or bass by the end of the day? Musky fishing will never explode because we are the crazy minority. |
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Location: Rhinelander, WI | I believe that Musky Hunter Magazine employs 2 people full time. Steve Heiting and one other employee, sorry I don't know her name. I would not consider that big business. Jim Saric is the owner and he even has a un-musky related full time job. If you want, for sure, answers to these questions ask them on their web site.
http://www.muskyhunter.com/cgi-bin/forum/board.cgi?conf=muskyhunter
Nail a Pig
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Location: On the X that marks the mucky spot | 0723, I respect your concern but I think it all to do about nothing. Neither "big money" tournement has been pulled off yet (I'd be running to the bank if I won the Bob M one) and NOBODY is making much money in the musky world. Musky Hunter doesn't even produce enough revenue to employ both of them full time from what I've heard. Musky lure mfg's make a modest living at best, and the other companies you could possible call "big business" such as Frabill or St.Croix rods do such a small percentage of business in musky fishing that sometimes I'm supriesed they continue to offer the lines.
Is our nitch in the fishing world growing; absolutly. Would I consider it in danger of any true big business anytime in the next 20 years; hell no.
One note on the PMTT fishing a numbers lake. June 2003 Eagle river 152 boats 18 fish with the biggest being 38". That is less then exciting if you ask me. Not to mention to get any film of a mid 30" fish you better have the camera on each persons line 100% of the time cuz they come in quick, especially in a tournament. |
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| Here's an example of two publications....Once again I feel musky fishing will stay underground with slight surges here and there. Like mentioned above people don't have the patients. Musky fishing in my book is hunting.
Circulation Muskie hunter 6,700
ESOX 28,000
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Location: Rhinelander. | I think that if done right a musky tournament can be good t.v. It would take more cameras on the water and they make it interesting with education and some human interest stories. Have to have things to fill in the slack times of no fish being caught. This is a wonderfull chance to introduce the sport to so many people.
I watch alot of bass fishing tournaments and I know I would rather see 1 musky caught then 100 bass. The bass tournaments do a great job with fillers, things shown between fish being caught.
I know the market is a small one but what a wonderful chance this is too introduce people to the sport we love. Something in our favor is its new to so many people.
Will it happen? If as anglers we can get some of the people out fishing who would be big sponsors I think so. Introduce the sport to them so they know what is. Most of them have no clue.
I maybe wrong but I do believe it can happen, I hope so anyway.
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Location: Madison, WI | PMTT Madison 68 legal fish in 15 hours - 4 legal fish an hour I know there were many more fish than that caught that were under the legal size. My boat caught 4 sub legals, 3 30"+ northern and one 5 pound bass. Imagine a 30min show on that tournemant? Just to show a picture of the legal fish caught, the picture could only be on the screen for 5sec or less. The show would need to be an hour or 2.. |
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Location: Black Creek, WI | The sportsmen that are silly enough to get snowballed by the glitz and glam of a televised MUSKY tourney on an action water will NEVER get sucked into a so called "craze". Thus, I disagree with 0723.
After their first few trips targeting musky and they get a dose of reality (skunked).... they will never want to try it again. There is no instant gratification... and definitely no consistent gratification when it comes to musky fishing. For most of society... that just won't cut it. Too boring and they will go back to bobber watching.
Yes, the musky community will continue to grow.... and I hope it does. However, it will never surmount to anything comparable to Bass or Walleye fishing. Just the geography limitation alone will prevent that.... let alone the challenge. There is no way a few televised tournaments will overcome that.
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| No the PMTT is in no way owned by Musky Hunter Magazine or Jim Saric.
Jim Saric is in fact a part of the PMTT and is the "Operations Manager" he does not have any ownership interest at this time.
Oh Yeah Musky Hunter's circulation is actually ALOT higher than stated above.
650,000 people target the Esox species....
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Location: Detroint Lakes, MN |
I'm seeing an interesting trend on some lakes in the Detroit Lakes area.
There are droves of people trying to catch the elusive muskies that are not what we would call muskie fishermen. But they don't stick with it. Every week there will be new boats out there with guys who are fishing for skies,(you can tell by how they cast, how they fish, small nets,etc) that are new to the deal, and you'll see them out there 5-6 times, then never again.
But the lake is packed all the time with new people, so the interest is growing, big time.
I'm just waiting for all the people to go through the stage so we have the lake to ourselves again!
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| Musky nut I was given the circulation numbers a few months ago when considering advertisement space. I guess Musky Hunter's numbers has changed over the past couple of months. |
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| I believe you may have the numbers backwards.
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Location: oswego, il | Put the pmtt on telemundo with the women they have on there and you will have this viewer tuned right in! Parially just to watch some of the participants be carted off for inapropriate behavior.lol |
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Location: On the Niagara River in Buffalo, NY | I would not want to rely on profits from Musky Hunter Magazine or the PMTT to be my only source of income,it would'nt be very much or not as much as I make working for DuPont anyway.Just remember what little money they bring in is after all the overhead and low paid small staff,not much left at all.To us in the Musky World the MHM & Esox Magazines and PMTT may look big,but in all reality they don't turn the large profits one would think.Same goes for most of the Musky Tackle Co's,if one does retail at Fishing Shows around the country along with having their product in most big musky markets,they get by with a profit much less then what a lot of us make working regular hourly jobs.Also Musky Guides,even most fulltime guides that are booked solid through the whole open season will not make enough profit to get through the winter without working another job as well. |
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