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| I find if interesting that in most of the conversations I have about Musky fishing is that the first thing people key in on is the bait that was used. Never the where and why! Just my opinion |
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| Juhas - 1/30/2018 5:58 AM
I find if interesting that in most of the conversations I have about Musky fishing is that the first thing people key in on is the bait that was used. Never the where and why! Just my opinion
That's because most musky fisherman understand the code of a Musky Fisherman, which is to never ask where and why. And if one breaches this code, most likley they will recieve fake news anyway. So you might as well ask what it was caught on, which many don't feel threaten to reveal. |
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| Most anglers are stuck on baits/lures. Very few anglers make the connection between location and actually catching fish.
It is the same thing I have noticed among catfish anglers. The first question a novice will ask is, "what bait do I use"?. The right question would be, "What kind of locations should I fish"?
Doesn't matter what lure or bait is on your line, if the fish are not there, you won't catch them. |
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Lucky Craft Man - 1/30/2018 7:25 AM
Juhas - 1/30/2018 5:58 AM
I find if interesting that in most of the conversations I have about Musky fishing is that the first thing people key in on is the bait that was used. Never the where and why! Just my opinion
That's because most musky fisherman understand the code of a Musky Fisherman, which is to never ask where and why. And if one breaches this code, most likley they will recieve fake news anyway. So you might as well ask what it was caught on, which many don't feel threaten to reveal.
That's true. I chose not to reveal anything that would give away my pattern. Sometimes even the bait is lied about. I've been burned one too many times. |
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| $300 barfighters. Makes all other variables obsolete. |
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| I guess it depends on if you really believe anything you tell people will actually make a difference. I might say we moved a lot of fish on blades, or that I caught a 43 on a black and orange tail prop. I might tell people we saw nothing in the weeds and everything on rocks. I might even say we missed a big one on the humps off Windigo.
The people who who know where Windigo is and what humps I'm talking about don't need my help finding fish, or with lure selection. The people who don't aren't likely to find those humps, or fish them right anyway, so who really cares? Nothing they catch is coming out of my net.
Others might get something along the lines of "dark water like this, weeds drop off pretty quick. You'll probably find most of your fish shallow on a day like today. Got anything brown and yellow?"
You might just help a newbie catch a fish. Anybody who is any sort of "threat" (and I use the term lightly) doesn't need your help. The folks that do need your help aren't likely to be able to do enough with your information to cause any damage.
Unless you're talking about those small lakes with crappy landings that you'd only find if you were lost... |
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Location: Perryville, MO | Lucky Craft Man - 1/30/2018 7:25 AM
Juhas - 1/30/2018 5:58 AM
I find if interesting that in most of the conversations I have about Musky fishing is that the first thing people key in on is the bait that was used. Never the where and why! Just my opinion
That's because most musky fisherman understand the code of a Musky Fisherman, which is to never ask where and why. And if one breaches this code, most likley they will recieve fake news anyway. So you might as well ask what it was caught on, which many don't feel threaten to reveal.
How quickly things progress. I'm neither old enough, nor have I been in the game long enough to have seen things change so much. Musky anglers not that long ago were by far the most honest and helpful of all anglers I've encountered. (Even down here in the South where location options are significantly limited, I've met several guys who have shared a ton of specific and knowledge-filled information.) I suppose it's the ever increasing pressure on a relatively small resource. But to call that the "code of a Musky Fisherman" is laughable in my estimation. Perhaps you don't know a lot of bass guys/gals? Or been around folks that are serious about panfish? |
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Location: South Elgin | Is this a cruel joke or something?!?
I thought Juhas was dead? |
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| I agree with Lucky Craft. Call it "Code", call it "Ethics", call it just plain old "polite". I never ask. Why put someone in that situation - they probably won't give out exact locations any how. Asking about the lure might be an opener to see if they will give out more information - doubtful.
I really don't think this has changed much throughout the years - with any species.
Interesting topic. I don't believe anything unless I see it or it comes from a really close group of friends - who saw it or lived it.
Good discussion - at least I heard it was a good discussion but I'm not going to tell anyone 
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Location: SE Wisc | Believe 50% of what you see and nothing of what you hear. |
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| Ciscokid82 - 1/31/2018 6:25 AM
Believe 50% of what you see and nothing of what you hear.
Unless you're watching CNN. In that case believe nothing. |
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Location: oswego, il | MartinTD - 2/1/2018 6:11 AM
Ciscokid82 - 1/31/2018 6:25 AM
Believe 50% of what you see and nothing of what you hear.
Unless you're watching CNN. In that case believe nothing.
Can be said for all cable news. |
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| MartinTD - 2/1/2018 6:11 AM
Ciscokid82 - 1/31/2018 6:25 AM
Believe 50% of what you see and nothing of what you hear.
Unless you're watching CNN. In that case believe nothing.
can't be more true |
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Location: Land of the Musky | If its on Facebook it has to be true!!!
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Location: Northern Illinois | MartinTD - 2/1/2018 6:11 AM
Ciscokid82 - 1/31/2018 6:25 AM
Believe 50% of what you see and nothing of what you hear.
Unless you're watching CNN. In that case believe nothing.
Or Fox |
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| J_mich - 1/30/2018 4:57 PM
Is this a cruel joke or something?!?
I thought Juhas was dead?
Dead? What? he sends me emails all the time!
We are a very brand specific society. I think it simplifies things for our simple minds. I used to argue Arctic Cats with Polaris guys, until I got Ski-doo. I get told people like my F-150 but I should have gotten a Dodge, and on and on. I grew up with Nike and Converse, and my wife is only an Asics person. Under Armour is all my kids want. I have always used Colgate.
With lures, I'm partial to what works, and cost. I typically like to hear the kind of lure that is moving fish, but brand matters not. I don't mind sharing info, but I have to know I can respect the person. I try to judge their character. Otherwise I lie. |
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| I have no problem telling a person exactly what bait worked for me, but I'll be #*^@ed if I tell them much more than that. Maybe type of structure. I work really hard to figure these fish out, it only takes one or two guy's to screw up a pattern you have going. |
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| Too funny. Point was i was surprised thatt the first thing I heard was the bait over the spot, time of year, time of day, weather or moon. Looks like the bait makers have got the upper hand. |
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| That's because the lure is the easiest part, the other factors take much more time and effort to figure out. |
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Location: South Elgin | muskidiem - 2/2/2018 12:45 PM
J_mich - 1/30/2018 4:57 PM
Is this a cruel joke or something?!?
I thought Juhas was dead?
Dead? What? he sends me emails all the time!
We are a very brand specific society. I think it simplifies things for our simple minds. I used to argue Arctic Cats with Polaris guys, until I got Ski-doo. I get told people like my F-150 but I should have gotten a Dodge, and on and on. I grew up with Nike and Converse, and my wife is only an Asics person. Under Armour is all my kids want. I have always used Colgate.
With lures, I'm partial to what works, and cost. I typically like to hear the kind of lure that is moving fish, but brand matters not. I don't mind sharing info, but I have to know I can respect the person. I try to judge their character. Otherwise I lie.
So you're his new go too guy for 5am emails. |
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Location: Northern Illinois | Interesting thread here. I occasionally fish with a guy who is disarmingly open and honest with anyone we meet on the water, and guess what, fishermen are usually open and honest (I believe) with him. I used to fish with a guy often who is the opposite, and we seldom interacted with others. I prefer the former. |
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| I see it this way around my area. Usually the guys that are totally open about all aspects of their success are ones that don't get to fish very often or only have a few seasons under their belt. It benefits them since others may be more willing to share specific info with them.
I'm pretty tight lipped and can say l don't share much info at all outside my small group. A few times in the past when I've seen the same guy out a lot working the same areas as me without success and can tell he has the sickness real bad I've been known to throw him a few crumbs. He's already in the correct area so it's usually lure position and or trolling speed.
But overall usually my motto is "ask me no questions and I shall tell you no lies". If I get a persistent one that insists on knowing the truth on where did you catch that big one. I usually say (with finger in cheek) right here in the corner of the mouth.
All joking aside success usually follows location and presentation
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