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Luca Cattin
Posted 8/29/2003 4:59 AM (#80148)
Subject: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Padova - Italy
Guys,
I have had some different experience when a big pike follow my baits.
Since I have a strain of fish slightly different by yours and other countries fish in Europe (no problem, still be esox lucius), see attached photo of a typical Italian pike, see the marks; this fish is more elusive than others I have captured in Holland and Ireland waters, doing follows sometime but disliking a rod tip in the water. I have had some success with fig.8 or similar horizontal maneuvers but much more with vertical movements like fre falling and some jigging, depend of bait. Someone have something to show?
Thanks
Luca



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stephendawg
Posted 8/29/2003 6:09 AM (#80149 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8




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Location: Lafayette, IN
Beautiful fish, Luca! Euro pike is definately something I'd like to experience before my days are done. As for figure 8's on pike, I've conditioned myself to do them just like when musky fishing. I've only caught 2 pike over 30" in my life but my family and I have caught several smaller ones on the "8". I think it's always a good idea. Thanks for the picture.
divani
Posted 8/29/2003 7:29 AM (#80151 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Belgium
luca, I never hooked a pike or even had a take on a figure-8 for pike in The Netherlands or in Belgium. All that the rodtip in the water seems to do, is scare the pike off rather than attract it to the lure.
stephendawg
Posted 8/29/2003 1:00 PM (#80181 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8




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Location: Lafayette, IN
I wonder why a western pike would hit a figure 8 and an eastern one wouldn't? Al Lindner and the boys have some clips of catching pike on the "8". Albeit, during prime spring season. You European gents don't even get a taker during post spawn? Wow! That's hard to believe. Maybe you're turning your bait the wrong direction. You are on the other side of the globe you know!  LOL!
Luca Cattin
Posted 8/30/2003 2:54 AM (#80216 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Padova - Italy
Thanks for yours specs. This is a very interesting question for me and, I think, for a lot of European pike anglers. I’ve catch SOME pike to 35’’ doing similar figure 8 at boatside, in Italy, mainly with one particular spinnerbait (see attached file). I have had those few success (compared to the good number of fish that generally follow the lure to the boat side) doing a long run parallel to the entire boat with a half rod in the water. When I make the first turn, pike appear from my boat bottom and grab the lure. All is very critical due to the suspicious character of a good size pike. The last good pike I caught in my local river follow my spinnerbait, go out when see me and my boat, and quickly appear from under the boat and strike my lure in the first turn. The last BIG pike (40’’+ two weeks ago) follow the lure, turn with my lure, follow it for 10 feet and go out. So generally, if I don’t have a strike in this first turn I can forget this maneuver and try one or two “toss back” casts with another rod rigged with some sort of plastic bait. I have experimented different style of “figure eight” with my pike over the years and now, when a big fish follow, I really think it is better to have a lure with some action when free falling, or jigging, like a single bladed spinnerbait and grub trailer, a jig with a good tail, a spoon, a big tube bait or a rubber jerkbait, and be prepared to work my baits vertically. In this manner I can try my big circle and, in the second time, lets free fall and/or jig my baits. Or doing this with another rod. Also I have notice that big pike usually comes by deeper levels in my waters (generally clear waters) and nearly all of those fish are more difficult when are near surface.
Luca
(sorry for language)

Edited by Luca Cattin 8/30/2003 3:02 AM



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divani
Posted 8/30/2003 3:38 AM (#80218 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Belgium
stevendawg, it's not that I haven't tried and I've seen all those tapes as well. I'm doing it exactly like in the tapes: wide turns, speed up in between the turns, deeper figure-8's, ...
stephendawg
Posted 8/30/2003 11:24 PM (#80243 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8




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Location: Lafayette, IN
Yeah, I figured you both do some sort of manuver at boatside any time you have a following fish. It's hard "not" to when they aren't biting on the main retrieval path but are still following the bait. As I stated earlier, I am not a trophy class angler but through conditioning I've learned to widen my "L" turns and "8's" at boatside because it's been demonstated clearly that long bodied fish can't easily make tight turns at boatside to stike a lure. I was thrilled in July to explain this to my 10 year old daughter while on vacation on Lake Vermilion. On her very first attempt at the "L" turn manuver she hooked a hammer handle pike. BOY, was she ever excited! She performed it diligently the rest of the trip (no suprise!). Leaving about 6' of line off the rod tip she initiated the turn about 10 feet from the boat. This widened the "L" enough to let fish intersect the bait before she finally lifted it from the water. I even tend to do it when I'm bass fishing. Lord knows I've been "shortlined" by a bass or two in 40 years.


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MuskieMedic
Posted 9/1/2003 12:03 AM (#80276 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Stevens Point, WI
Yesterday I caught a very small pike on a figure eight, that's the first one I have ever caught on an eight.
sworrall
Posted 9/1/2003 12:11 AM (#80278 - in reply to #80276)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin

If I am sure the following fish is a Pike, I walk the lure around the boat with the rod tip out of the water instead of doing an 8. No idea why, but the Pike I have taken over 15# walking the lure are many, and I have ZERO on an 8.

Wabigoon, Pipestone/Clearwater, Minaki area headwaters, and  LOTW have kicked out a bunch of low to mid 40" class Pike for me over the years. I actually would rather catch a pike over 20# than a Muskie over 25#, any day.

divani
Posted 9/1/2003 9:46 AM (#80289 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8





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Location: Belgium
doing an L-manouver has worked though, but no figure-8's
stephendawg
Posted 9/2/2003 6:19 AM (#80333 - in reply to #80148)
Subject: RE: Big Pike on figure 8




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Location: Lafayette, IN
I guess the distinction IS worth noting. I tend to lump all boatside manuvers into the "figure 8" category. And I would agree.....our pike have been caught on the "L" turn too. My bad!
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