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| Ok, i did a search and couldnt find these answers. I plan to pay more attention to the moon this year, and have chosen the fishing times app that is recomended by Ben Olson. The app show moonrise moon set minors and majors. The majors show a 2 hour window and the minors a one hour window, so here are my questions
What are minors and majors and are they related to or the same as moon overhead and under foot?
Why are the majors two hours long? Is the peak of the majot right in the middle of that 2 hour window?
Is there a better app i should be using?
Id love to read the john alden knight moon book ut for $30 its not.in my budget right now. If anyone wants to loan it to me, ill pay shipping both ways.
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| One thing i forgot. I have one app that has major windows that are 3 hours long and the other they are 2 hours long |
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Location: MN | There are 4 significant lunar events per day: rise, overhead, set, under foot. The major and minor designation seems to vary depending on who you ask - with some, overhead/underfoot are automatically called majors and rise/set are called minors, while others seem to take additional criteria into account. Also, some center the window right on the event time while others have the window begin or end at the event. Window length varies as well as you've noticed.
Personally, I just note the time of the events themselves and their proximity to sunrise/set and any weather events. If I'm going to take a break or am scheduling an outing with limited time, I try to be fishing around the events. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those apps/websites were set up with some fairly arbitrary decisions made as to what to call major vs. minor, how long the windows are, etc. |
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Location: Walker, MN | nar160 - 5/15/2017 8:56 PM
There are 4 significant lunar events per day: rise, overhead, set, under foot. The major and minor designation seems to vary depending on who you ask - with some, overhead/underfoot are automatically called majors and rise/set are called minors, while others seem to take additional criteria into account. Also, some center the window right on the event time while others have the window begin or end at the event. Window length varies as well as you've noticed.
Personally, I just note the time of the events themselves and their proximity to sunrise/set and any weather events. If I'm going to take a break or am scheduling an outing with limited time, I try to be fishing around the events. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those apps/websites were set up with some fairly arbitrary decisions made as to what to call major vs. minor, how long the windows are, etc.
Well stated!
Edited by Masqui-ninja 5/15/2017 9:20 PM
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Location: MN | ^^ I agree. Some are adamant that the majors are when the moon is overhead and underfoot. Many of the apps run that. But some of the best fishermen I know put more stock in Knights book which has the events occurring more randomly as I think the times are based on tides as well. |
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| This is my mileage:
Weather > Moon: There have been times where there has been no other factor in play with blah weather and the moon made it happen. There have been other times with brutal conditions, like high sun and unseasonably warm temps in the fall leading to a total bust despite a great moon event. It happens.
I've had success subscribing to the rise/set, over/under methodology. I typically find that the events have their efficacy 1 hour prior to 1 hour after or a 2 hour window. Typically though, the most common window is almost exactly at the event. I have no idea as to why or how of it, but I've caught enough fish because of it that it is always on my mind.
One thing to keep in mind if you are on an extended fishing trip or have the ability to fish multiple days. If you get a window during a moon event and the weather / conditions remain consistent, then there is a very good chance that the bite will occur again during the same event the next day. Sometimes the bite can be tied to the moon event, other times it is tied to the time of day. Only way to know is to fish, but if you can dial this in on a trip, you can consistently contact and catch fish.
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| here is a link to a website. it can answer some of your questions, in addition to giving you a chart for whatever zip code you put in it. i use the snipping tool in Windows to snip what i want to print and take it with me. i use the paper to make notes to myself and to keep track of how many and how long. (that's usually zero) i also write down what time i'm picking up my partner for the day and who the partner is. always embarrassing to show up at the wrong house:)
http://www.solunarforecast.com/solunarcalendar.aspx |
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Location: Aurora | I love that it defaults the zip to 90210
Always had a thing fer Shannon Doherty... er, back then i mean.
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Location: E. Tenn | JMO...but Tom Gelb's book "Musky Strategy" answers your questions best. |
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Location: Bloomington, IL | I have found www.usprimetimes.com to be the best. Can search by City and State, or Zip Code. When I'm fishing in Canada (NW Ontario), I'll just use the times for Angle Inlet, MN or Int'l Falls, MN depending on where I'm fishing as the times are close enough...only a couple minutes difference.
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Location: MN | ^ I use that site (usprimetimes) to quickly access the exact times for the moon events and visualize them on a timeline. However, their bar graph of fish activity seems completely made up. One clear indicator is that day to day it is not continuous - "fish activity" can be increasing and peaking at midnight on one day, but when you click to the next day, it starts right down at 0 at the same time. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the level of the graph. |
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Location: Bloomington, IL | Agreed on the graph. I don't pay much attention to it either. I just focus on the times... Moonrise, moonset, Overhead, Underfoot, and the major and minor windows. Also, if they intersect\are in close proximity to sunrise or sunset. |
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Location: Jane Lew, WV | I agree with some above statements. Weather has been the greatest determination in a bite, second to a moon event. The best day I've had occurred this spring after work. A storm had missed to the south and the moonrise correlated closely with sunset. If possible, line up moon events with a weather change - if not, just go fish brother! |
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Location: Eastern Ontario | Maybe your all lunatics  |
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Location: Oconomowoc, WI | T3clay, what app are you referring to? I'd like to check it out . |
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| A little different take on this. And I don't know if this applies to muskies or not. What I've found, and this is July through October, is that the moon doesn't really affect predators. Now, some of the best fishing I've had for smallmouth bass and walleyes has been on the full moon. The moon isn't turning predators on, it's turning baitfish on. A lot of baitfish cycle their spawning on full moons, find spawning baitfish, and you'll find feeding predators, and they are in full on feed mode.
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| walleyejoe - 8/2/2017 11:48 AM
A little different take on this. And I don't know if this applies to muskies or not. What I've found, and this is July through October, is that the moon doesn't really affect predators. Now, some of the best fishing I've had for smallmouth bass and walleyes has been on the full moon. The moon isn't turning predators on, it's turning baitfish on. A lot of baitfish cycle their spawning on full moons, find spawning baitfish, and you'll find feeding predators, and they are in full on feed mode.
Tim
I've had too many instances where there was a flurry of fish activity for no other apparent reason than moon up/down/on either horizon. My belief is that it affects the whole food chain, and muskies have just evolved to eat when the eatin' is good so to speak. |
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