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| SO for those of you that have the LT Big Dawg how does it do with Big Blades like dbl 10s and up..I know its a big rubber Rod but curious as to how it wold handle these type blades...tip too stiff in the 8? how it compare with XH Predator Rod...The XH Predator Rod is extremly stiff IMO...Seems you could throw a 3 pounder with that ROD |
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Location: Contrarian Island | to stiff imo...Big Nasty way better. |
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| BNelson - 7/26/2017 9:50 AM
to stiff imo...Big Nasty way better.
Thats what I was thinking might be lil stiff...hoping its not as stiff as the Predator though which I doubt but who knows...I have dble ten rod but has high speed reel so this would just be back up when tired on high speed I can go to Low gear Reel and Drag tens while longer so Hopefully it b Ok for that...mainly using for Possidions and Full Size SHadzillas for Most part but will be back up dbl ten |
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| I am not sure if you have used a XH Pred or you have just felt one in the shop but I really like the rod. I throw double 8's with it up to pounders. The thing I really like about the pred. is the control with big blades in the fig. 8. I have a nasty as well and I the big blades seem to flex the rod more than I like in the 8. Just what I have experienced and it comes down to personal preference. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I think in my research I read that the Big Dawg was heavier than the XH Predator.
I think it went Big Nasty, Pred XH, Big Dawg, Pred XXH in order of increasing power.
I think the Predator line is a touch slower too, so if you don't like the Pred XH I'm not sure you'll like the Big Dawg.
The Big Nasty is a good blade rod and works pretty well for mid size rubber too. I haven't used or handled the Predators so keep that in mind. Just repeating what I read. Probably building or having an XH Predator built this winter for Pounders and other rubber. |
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| curleytail I cant imagine the Big Dawg is heavier than the XH Predator..big dawg rated to 12oz that Predator Rod handle 24oz no issue if not more..I have omen 12oz rod and no where near as heavy as Predator...I hope your not right on this...
kdebell- I own The Predator XH in a 9'6" I like the Rod ITs just really stiff and Obviously a longer Rod...I love it for Pounders dont get me wrong but about all I use it for...can use for blades but too stiff in 8 IMO and I do Use for shadzilla and Possidion but think I will use Big Dawg for that as long as curleytail isnt correct on Big Dawg being heavier than Predator XH can anyone confirm this for sure or do you know were u saw this curleytail wanna verify this |
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Location: Smith Creek | Curleytail is right. Maybe not "heavier" but as heavy and faster. Sucks casting 10's into the wind, retrieves them well. big nasty is better for casting and retrieving and fighting fish. |
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| Flambeauski - 7/26/2017 10:43 AM
Curleytail is right. Maybe not "heavier" but as heavy and faster. Sucks casting 10's into the wind, retrieves them well. big nasty is better for casting and retrieving and fighting fish.
I cant imagine heavier but its a ft shorter so easier to handle and Faster I think would be key not like Predator too Heavy just a Huge Stick long and hardly any give in the Tip...I Have an Elk River Blade and Rubber Rod thats 3-9oz 8'6" and think that would be really similiar to the Big Nasty that y I went with Big Dog was wanting something just lil shorter than predator...gonna make predator dedicated Pounder Rod and have Big Dawg as Multi purpose big rubber Rod anything under a pounder |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Are you sure you don't have the xxh predator? The xh predator shouldn't be rated to 24 oz. Try a search or two on here or google to find how the rods compare to each other. |
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Location: Wisconsin | I have a big dawg and i use it for nearly everything. I d on't always want to use the nasty and this is my other rod. I personally think it loads up nice and use small bucks to large rubber. To me it's very similar to the nasty bu 8'6". You don't see many for sale too often because most people really like them. I think i may actually like it a bit more than the Nasty for an all purpose rod |
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Location: Hayward, WI | 25homes - 7/26/2017 10:52 AM
Flambeauski - 7/26/2017 10:43 AM
Curleytail is right. Maybe not "heavier" but as heavy and faster. Sucks casting 10's into the wind, retrieves them well. big nasty is better for casting and retrieving and fighting fish.
I cant imagine heavier but its a ft shorter so easier to handle and Faster I think would be key not like Predator too Heavy just a Huge Stick long and hardly any give in the Tip...I Have an Elk River Blade and Rubber Rod thats 3-9oz 8'6" and think that would be really similiar to the Big Nasty that y I went with Big Dog was wanting something just lil shorter than predator...gonna make predator dedicated Pounder Rod and have Big Dawg as Multi purpose big rubber Rod anything under a pounder
Faster and shorter is probably going to make casting lighter baits tougher rather than easier. Like Flambeauski said, shorter and stiffer isn't going to help you going into the wind. Maybe you want the 8'6" sling blade for lighter stuff if you want a shorter rod. |
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| Was reading past threads about this and couple people pointed out that the Big Dawg is a lil light to throw Pounders and the XH Predator the Rod for that...so now I am really confused how is the Big Dawg just as heavy or heavier when some ppl stated exact opposite in thread BIG DAWG vs xh Predator...dont understand now..
this direct quote from that thread from owner of both...can anyone help
The Predator has a little more backbone than the Big Dawg. I have owned both and I agree the Big Dawg is a little light for a dedicated pounder rod. It can do the job on pounders and is probably the nicest rod for mag dawgs I have used but if you throw a lot of big rubber the Predator XH will handle it all. I also used a Tooth Tamer Jawbreaker XXXH for a season and can say that for a factory rod and the price this is a great rod for big baits. If I ever lost my Predator I would go looking for a Jawbreaker to get me through the season. |
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| curleytail - 7/26/2017 11:01 AM
25homes - 7/26/2017 10:52 AM
Flambeauski - 7/26/2017 10:43 AM
Curleytail is right. Maybe not "heavier" but as heavy and faster. Sucks casting 10's into the wind, retrieves them well. big nasty is better for casting and retrieving and fighting fish.
I cant imagine heavier but its a ft shorter so easier to handle and Faster I think would be key not like Predator too Heavy just a Huge Stick long and hardly any give in the Tip...I Have an Elk River Blade and Rubber Rod thats 3-9oz 8'6" and think that would be really similiar to the Big Nasty that y I went with Big Dog was wanting something just lil shorter than predator...gonna make predator dedicated Pounder Rod and have Big Dawg as Multi purpose big rubber Rod anything under a pounder
Faster and shorter is probably going to make casting lighter baits tougher rather than easier. Like Flambeauski said, shorter and stiffer isn't going to help you going into the wind. Maybe you want the 8'6" sling blade for lighter stuff if you want a shorter rod.
I have the ELK river Blade Rod its 8'6" 3-9oz almost identical to the sling Blade...Im just curious how it handle double ten Rod gonna be for any rubber under a pounder like Rod intended for just thought could use as back up dbl ten when get sick of turn high speed reel with 10s |
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Location: Hayward, WI | Did you buy a Big Dawg already?
Not exactly sure what you are looking for, but if it's for something to handle 10s and rubber under pounder size I'll say the big nasty fills that spot well and if you want a little shorter than your predator it is 6 inches shorter which is significant.
Or heck, for mid size rubber and slower blades the tackle industries xh in 9 foot is a nice rod too at half the price of the st. Croix or predator. They come in 8'6" too if you want to go that short. Lots of options out there depending on just what your planned use will be.
P.s.if this thread disappears check the deleted posts forum as thats where most st. Croix threads have been ending up. |
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Location: Hayward, WI | I received the below advice on a post where I was asking about the predator xh. Sounds like it's a great do everything rod. Or is that not so much the case now? 
I know the Predator XH is strait nasty....perfect in the 8 with double 10s IMO....love this Rod...This is exactly what my Rod is used for turning 10s in the 8 any way I wish and will Lauch a pounder a country mile with a Flick of the wrist if you can believe that just loads up and Bait Gone....Beauty of the Rod is I can fish pounders double 10s shadzilla Jr or throw 6 or 8 blades and will still do it without a problem....I have rods for smaller stuff but if needed the Predator still use with smaller baits no issue |
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| curleytail - 7/26/2017 5:43 PM
I received the below advice on a post where I was asking about the predator xh. Sounds like it's a great do everything rod. Or is that not so much the case now?
I know the Predator XH is strait nasty....perfect in the 8 with double 10s IMO....love this Rod...This is exactly what my Rod is used for turning 10s in the 8 any way I wish and will Lauch a pounder a country mile with a Flick of the wrist if you can believe that just loads up and Bait Gone....Beauty of the Rod is I can fish pounders double 10s shadzilla Jr or throw 6 or 8 blades and will still do it without a problem....I have rods for smaller stuff but if needed the Predator still use with smaller baits no issue
No it will do just about anything I ask of it... only reason im getting the big dawg is so when I get 3 ppl in car or xtra person or two In the boat I can leave That one at home to save room...i love my predator Just wanted to hear few different opinions on things that's all... can never have too many can u... was reading on another forum guy absolutely prefers big dawg over sling blade and big nasty for running 10s.... says those two flex too much in 8 which is my exact concerns with those rods because my ELK RIVER which about identical to slingblade IMO flexs too Much in 8 with 10s and Predator too stiff in 8 with 10s IMO some like that stiffness in 8 which I can handle it but would prefer just hair softer |
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Location: Hayward, WI | There's always a give and take. A rod that doesn't flex much in the 8 probably isn't going to work too well casting light baits into a stiff wind. Going with the wind anything works. It depends on people's perceptions too. Some feel the Predator XH is too heavy for 10's. Some feel it's perfect. Some love the sling blade, some the Big Nasty, some the Big Dawg. Some prefer the more moderate action of the TI rods (which telescope by the way if storage is the issue). Part of it comes down to the action of the rod too. Sometimes a less powerful rod may feel stiffer if it's faster and gets into the backbone quicker. Some rods might be powerful but slow, giving them a softer feel that to some may "seem" lighter as the rod loads more. All depends. If you can't handle or use the rods before buying you kind of just have to read all the reviews you can and average the information the best you can - keeping who the posters are in mind as well.
Below is a link with a comparison from guide JSONDAG of the St. Croix LT rods and how they relate to the Predators. This is from 2009, and is old enough that it doesn't compare the Big Nasty. Comparisons that I have seen that add the Big Nasty put the Big Nasty a notch below the Thorne XH.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=50...
Hopefully you enjoy the Big Dawg. When you get it, maybe you can put up a comparison between it and the Predator XH.
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| Yes I can put up a comparision for sure thats a great idea.. I will do that for sure...Ive got rods for lots of applications..Ive got a LT top and tail, got a TI 1 piece rod, gto bulldawg rod, have 8'1" and 8'7" omen Muskie Rod from 13 fishing, also have st croix triumph, st croix musky mojo, ELK River Custom blade Rod, Predator XH, big dawg on way along with couple trollers its out of control |
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