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Message Subject: Stencil maker
MRichardson
Posted 2/27/2011 7:47 PM (#484191)
Subject: Stencil maker





Hi, I thought I’d share my weekend project with ya’ll.  My painter Stan and I were talking about how the complex geometry of my bait makes using traditional stencils less than ideal.  We wanted something quicker and easier to use.  I had an idea, so off to the drawing board I went.  My idea was to make a rigid 3D stencil using what is commonly known as vacuum forming.  I spent about $20 bucks at the hardware store and did the following:

Photo (1) – The vacuum box- I was finally able to utilize my 7th grade birdhouse building skills, size the hole per your shop vac hose size.  Use glue when constructing to get a good air seal around the box.

Photo (2) - Former plate- This tops off the vacuum box and forms the shape you want.  I mounted half of a lure on it for forming around.  Drill holes through this plate and through the lure to draw the sheet material down when the vacuum is on.  I decided to have interchangeable plates with mine.  You could just have one plate with holes in it for something more universal.

Photo (3) – Vacuum forming – Heat a sheet of plastic on a cookie sheet in the oven at 350 F for a few minutes.  I used PETG or co-polyester – the same stuff used for blister packs and stuff.  Place the hot sheet on the form and turn on the vacuum, use a heat gun to soften and mold the plastic around the form, allow for stencil to cool.

Photo (4) – Use a hot knife or stencil burner to cut out your desired pattern.

Photo (5) – Stencil- Pop a bait in the form and spray away

Photo (6) - Finished bait

If you have any questions please let me know.  It may not be necessary for all baits, but for some it can make things easier and faster.

Mike



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muskyslayer96
Posted 2/27/2011 8:11 PM (#484194 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





Posts: 615


Location: Madison, WI
NICE WORK.

Very cool! Where do you buy your snecil material?

MS
MuskyFix
Posted 2/27/2011 8:49 PM (#484208 - in reply to #484194)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





Mike
very impressive that should be allot easier for the painter know.

Great invention..
MEISTERICS
Posted 2/27/2011 10:48 PM (#484225 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker




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This makes my brain just cook with ideas. I think i will be more apt to take time to make tougher and more details stencils.

Thank you

Jared
SolarFall
Posted 2/28/2011 8:12 AM (#484248 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker




Posts: 278


Location: Finland
that defineatly helps if you want to do many lures with the same stencil. i made something simular too when i was starting up lure painting too, i find that being lil bit cumbersome to my style of painting since i don usually to do same lure over and over again :D for some intrecate bar pattern that goes around the body that thing sure is handy.
MRichardson
Posted 2/28/2011 9:43 AM (#484260 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





Thanks, I used this stuff  http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=41606&catid=704 but it was a little hard to work with.  I’m trying to find something thinner than the .020” thickness.  I may switch materials.
blackriver
Posted 2/28/2011 10:28 AM (#484267 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





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what a great idea!! Thanks for sharing that
jakejusa
Posted 2/28/2011 12:07 PM (#484286 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker




Posts: 994


Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan!
You can find polystrene sheets very thin. They tend to be more cloudy than clear but once the bait is in place. Very nice lookig though. Thanks for sharing it !
Stan Durst 1
Posted 2/28/2011 3:26 PM (#484324 - in reply to #484286)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





Posts: 1207


Location: Pigeon Forge TN.
looking very good Mike, How hard to cut?
MRichardson
Posted 2/28/2011 3:53 PM (#484330 - in reply to #484324)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





Stan Durst 1 - 2/28/2011 3:26 PM looking very good Mike, How hard to cut?

 

Hey Stan, not hard at all, just let the heat of the knife do the work.  You will need a hot knife or stencil burner though.  I have a little more experimenting to do yet, but at the end of the week I’ll send you these firetiger stencils and some blank ones so you can cut in your own patterns. Maybe we want to cut in some perch bars in on a set– up to you.  I did kind of a clown pattern to send to your buddy Jay down there (it was not nearly as nice as the one you did for Jim though), I formed and cut a belly stencil to protect and mask the pearl white from the chartreuse sides he wanted.  That worked well, I’ll send some of those too.

I’m going to build some small wooden frames around them so you can stack them and stuff without damaging them.

 

Esox-Hunter
Posted 2/28/2011 4:24 PM (#484333 - in reply to #484330)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





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Location: South East Wisconsin
Nice work Mike.
Stan Durst 1
Posted 3/1/2011 7:38 PM (#484591 - in reply to #484330)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





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Location: Pigeon Forge TN.
Hey Mike, I have been using mylar and some aluminum photo plates ( which I can't get anymore) I cut everything in a time consuming matter with an exacto knife. Hard on fingers when doing a lot. Where can I get a stencil burner and/or the hot knife you mentioned? The perch bars would be nice to have.
Been looking into laser cutting but a lot of money for all I would use it. When taken care of, stencils last a long time. I have many that are several years old and are wearing out now. I need to replace them also.
MRichardson
Posted 3/2/2011 8:59 AM (#484673 - in reply to #484591)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





I have one like this, many craft or hobby stores have them http://www.hobbytown.com/Shop/knives/hot-knife

Laser cutter? Wow, I’d like one too.  I’ll put that on my list just after molding machine and CNC machine.

blackriver
Posted 3/5/2011 2:48 PM (#485238 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





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Thank you again for sharing this idea. I made the box today and was eager to try it out. Looked around the shop for any plastic and found some clamshell packages that muskie baits come in. They worked great!!! They melted fast and when cooled, actually seem stronger/thicker than prior to applying heat. I have made around 20 patterns using them and they hold up awesome!! I have some odd shaped lures also, and I can't tell you how much this idea has helped!!!
MRichardson
Posted 3/7/2011 9:16 AM (#485546 - in reply to #485238)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





blackriver - 3/5/2011 2:48 PM Thank you again for sharing this idea. I made the box today and was eager to try it out. Looked around the shop for any plastic and found some clamshell packages that muskie baits come in. They worked great!!! They melted fast and when cooled, actually seem stronger/thicker than prior to applying heat. I have made around 20 patterns using them and they hold up awesome!! I have some odd shaped lures also, and I can't tell you how much this idea has helped!!!

 

Cool, that’s great, I’m glad it worked out for you.  I was making some more over the weekend too and learned a few more things.  The .020 is the best thickness; I tried some thinner .010 and it would tear or melt through on deeper draw areas.  When I was able to get some really tight fitting forms I started to have a hard time getting them off, Pam cooking spray applied on the form before forming solved that problem. I also came across some shrinkage problems when I pulled them off the form too soon, when I left in on the form for a good 5-10 minutes it helped.

  My son spent the whole afternoon helping me; it was cool to see him showing such interest in learning about all that stuff. 

 

PS. Your new “Freak” topwater looks really interesting, let’s see your new stencil applied on that J

 




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slickrick
Posted 3/10/2011 12:56 AM (#486169 - in reply to #484191)
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styrene is really cheap if you are looking for an inexpensive vac form material
Stan Durst 1
Posted 3/10/2011 6:29 AM (#486181 - in reply to #486169)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





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Location: Pigeon Forge TN.
Slickrick, Is that Poly styrene?
Do hardwares have it?
slickrick
Posted 3/11/2011 2:31 PM (#486484 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker




Posts: 62


stan im not quite sure we always call it styrene at school and we use it to vac form things. there is clear and white. im not sure if hardware stores sell but it i have seen it at some hobby/art stores but usually go to a large plastics company near milwaukee. hope that helps
Stan Durst 1
Posted 3/11/2011 2:56 PM (#486497 - in reply to #486484)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





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Location: Pigeon Forge TN.
Thanks SlickRick, Here in the Forge and it being a Tourists City we don't have much for Hobbies. Will see what I can find on the net. Thanks much,
Stan
MRichardson
Posted 2/29/2016 11:14 AM (#807859 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: RE: Stencil maker





It's an old thread, but I saw some guys talking about this over the weekend and I thought I’d bring it to the top again to maybe help some new guys out.

muskie tamer
Posted 2/29/2016 12:34 PM (#807873 - in reply to #484191)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





Posts: 411


Location: Waconia,MN
I've been looking for a good plastic sheet that'll form good, i keep getting wrinkles. I'm gonna try and place a sheet in the oven like yippy did Mike. Are you still using the .020 petg, or have you found something better.
MRichardson
Posted 2/29/2016 12:40 PM (#807875 - in reply to #807873)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





Still the .020" 
rougarou
Posted 2/29/2016 3:07 PM (#807902 - in reply to #807875)
Subject: Re: Stencil maker





Posts: 102


would the laminate sheets work (staples)
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