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Location: New Jersey | Seriously contemplating getting one of these but i typically hate when the level wind doesnt move left to right on the cast. I actually sold my Calcutta D because i hated the way it casted due to the disengaging level wind. I had zero accuracy with my casts and took a big loss on the reel.
I am a Shimano TE 400 guy all the way, but i want a high speed reel for jerks and rubber.
I have read other posts saying its a non-issue, would you please elaborate and/or talk me into/out of the reel.
Will consider other options if you have ideas i dont know about.
thanks,
Rob |
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| IMO it casts like a rocket and is very smooth. I have a Calcutta D and I see where you are coming from, but it's night and day comparatively in terms of casting. Buy one, you won't be disappointed. |
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| were you using an 80lb 8 weave with the D? |
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Location: New Jersey | i was using the regular green 80lb power pro, not sure if its 8 weave. |
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| I am a little curious about how the calcutta D was an inaccurate reel casting, because you had 8-12 line guides on the rod... If you dont mind telling us how you felt this reel was at fault for inaccurate casting.
I have both engaged and disengaged reels, I have noticed zero difference in casting accuracy and distance. Thats my pitch to convince you to try the new reel |
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| A non-disengaging levelwind was needed with the toro's of old because of how wide the spool was in relation to the distance between the spool and levelwind. The beast/S are longer with a narrower spool (much like a tranx or lexa). No need for a non-disengaging levelwind that bleeds energy off the cast. |
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| muskyhunter34 - 11/9/2015 5:57 AM
Seriously contemplating getting one of these but i typically hate when the level wind doesnt move left to right on the cast. I actually sold my Calcutta D because i hated the way it casted due to the disengaging level wind. I had zero accuracy with my casts and took a big loss on the reel.
I am a Shimano TE 400 guy all the way, but i want a high speed reel for jerks and rubber.
I have read other posts saying its a non-issue, would you please elaborate and/or talk me into/out of the reel.
Will consider other options if you have ideas i dont know about.
thanks,
Rob
completely different reels. In conjunction with the narrow spool and a "stretched" geometry (longer distance between spool and line guide) that the reel disengages the lw mechanism during the cast is pure win. The angle never gets acute like it does with round reels.
You *gain* casting distance with a Revo Toro Beast as compared to the Nacl (verified by my own tests) because you have no friction from the LW mechanism cylcling back and forth. |
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Location: New Jersey | I'm not saying the D was at fault, it was me for sure. I couldn't get the cast down for accuracy. I would either bomb it way past where I wanted to land or short it considerably.
I just said screw it and found another TE and I was happy. Now, I want to add some speed to my arsenal with a 6:1 reel.
Realize I have used the tranx and toro NaCL with no problem.
Not trying to bash the D for sure, probably a great product.
Rob |
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| Take one of the Beast models out for a test drive if you can. They are very smooth and cast a mile regardless of the disengaged level wind. My friend said he was casting a Rizzo Wiz over the weekend and said "I know I was throwing that lure much further than my ability to set the hook at that distance". I've had several models out on the water and with both 65 and 80 lb line I was able to cast anything I threw as far as my casting ability will allow. |
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| Casting will not be a problem with the disengaging levelwind, but it will definetly effect the smoothness off the drag. Might be only relevant in saltwater fishing. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | No, it will not. Check out the drag design on the Beast, it's pretty cool. |
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| A Musky or in my case a pike wont be a test for the drag. It would need a fish that can pull 50 yards in one run like a tuna or something similar.
That said I notice a big difference in drag smoothness between my revo beast (no toro) and my NaCl even when pike fishing.
I dont know how the abu engineers could have solved that problem of the line angle (pressure on drag) is constantly changing on a disanging levelwind. I watched many saltwater videos from Tranx and Lexa and you can see that the drag is not very smooth. |
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| I want to try one. They do not sell them around where I live. I will be at the Chicago show this year, do you think there will be an opportunity to try one out there? |
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| LugiAustria - 11/11/2015 2:43 AM
A Musky or in my case a pike wont be a test for the drag. It would need a fish that can pull 50 yards in one run like a tuna or something similar.
That said I notice a big difference in drag smoothness between my revo beast (no toro) and my NaCl even when pike fishing.
I dont know how the abu engineers could have solved that problem of the line angle (pressure on drag) is constantly changing on a disanging levelwind. I watched many saltwater videos from Tranx and Lexa and you can see that the drag is not very smooth.
This is a more complicated issue when we start talking about fish that will test the limits of the reel. Then it becomes not a case of disengaging level wind but the strength of the frame of the reel in proportion to the drag.
Hundreds of guys are fishing the Lexa or Tranx on the West coast USA and nearly everything that swims out here has been hooked on one of those reels...with enormous degrees of success with some caveats...meaning they are having a gas fishing the reels and pushing them hard, but inevitably guys are also getting into fish that can bust up their gear too. People have landed up to 125# BFT on a Lexa 400 and nearly 200lb YFT on a Tranx plus countless smaller models....but are finding that these uber light reels have their limitations too...primarily frame flex at the highest drag settings. That is the nature of such light reels.
Though it might be argued the non-disengaging LW mechanism makes a small contribution to this at acute angles I have not heard one guy complain over-all about drag performance...for the weight of the reel. They punch WELL above their weight (13oz) in terms of total smooth drag put out and there is nothing a freshwater angler needs to worry about unless they are going after giant river cats or something and really need another reel.
I also always recommend a drag grease for any reel to increase the range of smooth operation at lower settings (and in the salt to reduce the possibility of saltwater intrusion). Drag grease will reduce startup and overall smooth perfomance of the drag, until the reel meets its match and frame flex leads to mis-alignment of the spool in extreme conditions.
Bear in mind that reels truly engineered for 20#s of drag on big tuna that can make runs hundreds of yards long weigh in excess of 3-4 times what these small baitcasters weigh. They are uber light tackle reels as far as the salt is concerned. |
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