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Message Subject: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts
JSiegler
Posted 7/14/2015 6:30 PM (#776298)
Subject: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts




Posts: 62


Location: Wisconsin Rapids, WI
I'm going to be staying at an American Plan Resort for the first time soon and I'm wondering what the etiquette is for gratuity. Mostly common sense, but I don't want to overlook anything. Thanks.
jonnysled
Posted 7/14/2015 6:38 PM (#776299 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: Re: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
i always did housekeeping and left $50.00 for the dock boys, $50.00 for the cleaning staff and never did American Plan for the cooks but even though unguided i felt it was just the right thing to do to bring a bottle of Crown to share at the Lodge and a carton of smokes for them ... i pimped them for pattern info and thought it was just fair to leave some good smokes. i hope some others chime in with what they did. we were in a big cabin with a lot of guys so assuming everyone tipped something we should leave hoping all the people who make it happen felt appreciated by us.
Farmer Rick
Posted 7/14/2015 6:58 PM (#776305 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: Re: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





Location: Not far enough north!
Our group usually leaves a couple bills for the cook/cleaning and dock boys. Even though I never use the guides either I give them a couple baits that they have either not been able to get their hands on or have never heard of. That usually makes them happier than the money. Ensures better reports next time up...
bigfoot
Posted 7/14/2015 7:00 PM (#776306 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





Posts: 246


Location: Grand Marais, MN
I worked maintenance at an american plan resort for 4 years during summers in college. Although i never got tipped other than the much appreciated left behind beer, booze, sunscreen etc.(really didn't expect anything more), it is good to leave a little something for the housekeepers, food service crew, any other guys or gals who do a good job making your stay a good one. They are already getting paid their wage so I dont think you need to go overboard, but 20 bones or so to a few people would certainly be sufficient and appreciated.
DonPursch
Posted 7/14/2015 7:06 PM (#776308 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts




Posts: 540


Location: Leech Lake, Walker MN
You just never know how much people will leave but I get asked the question all the time and I say what ever you would like some people leave 50 bucks and some leave
100 to take care of the staff. What ever you are comfortable with is all ways appreciated
Thanks for asking
bryantukkah
Posted 7/15/2015 1:22 AM (#776329 - in reply to #776308)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts




Posts: 295


The only thing that should be standard about gratuities is that they are the standard. I don't consider it an option, its just a question of how much. It boils down to what it's worth to you. Greater satisfaction comes in giving rather than recieving, and it goes both ways when people feel like theyre appreciated. My buddies sometimes look at me like im crazy when i tip the cart girl like i do on the golf course... By the end of the round after shes come by our group ten or twelve times (and theyve had a cold beer in their hand all day) they start to catch the drift.
Zib
Posted 7/15/2015 8:23 AM (#776346 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





Posts: 1405


Location: Detroit River

I've only done a fly-in trip (Kaby Lake) once & I was is in a group of 12 guys & we were there for 5 days. We each put in $100 so $400 went to the kitchen staff, $400 to cleaning staff (of which some also worked kitchen duty) & $400 to the dock guys. Plus my brother-in-law & I gave a little extra to one of the dock guys because he hooked use up with a perch spot that helped win us some cash from the other guys in our group for biggest perch of the day.

 

The trip cost us $1,000 so a 10% tip seemed a little low to me but the kitchen & cleaning staff were excited because they said they hardly get tips & when they do it's usually not much.

 

djwilliams
Posted 7/15/2015 8:06 PM (#776463 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: Re: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts




Posts: 781


Location: Ames, Iowa
I have only done housekeeping plan in Canada. We were pretty much on our own and we liked that. Tipped the bartender at the bar in the lodge when we were there and I think she appreciated that. We had navigable maps and enough skill and knowledge to locate spots. We were a low maintenance group and the owners were ok with that. I would like to go to Lake of the Woods with my sons in the future and would look for a similar place.
MstrMusky
Posted 7/15/2015 10:33 PM (#776477 - in reply to #776329)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts




Posts: 156


bryantukkah - 7/15/2015 1:22 AM

The only thing that should be standard about gratuities is that they are the standard. I don't consider it an option, its just a question of how much. It boils down to what it's worth to you. Greater satisfaction comes in giving rather than recieving, and it goes both ways when people feel like theyre appreciated. My buddies sometimes look at me like im crazy when i tip the cart girl like i do on the golf course... By the end of the round after shes come by our group ten or twelve times (and theyve had a cold beer in their hand all day) they start to catch the drift.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I simply don't understand it to be honest. A gratuity or tip, by definition, is something that needs to be earned. Specifically for going above and beyond the service due.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gratuity

When I was a lot younger, I worked for a fee + tips on a paper route and as a caddie. If I delivered the paper closer to the door step...i got bigger tips. People noticed. If as a caddie, I just carried the bag and was "there"...i made a lot less money. However, if I gave proper advice on my knowledge of the greens, pin distance (this was before GPS!), etc...I always got better tips. Again, its for going above and beyond the "contracted" service.

As it relates to fishing in Canada, I have been both the biggest tipper and the worst tipper and it depended on the service I received. It was never "due", "expected", or a "given". Let me give you some examples:
1.)For guides, I don't tip based on fish seen or caught. The guide doesn't control that. If it's generally a brutal day where the guide is struggling with boat control in the rain and wind...I tip more. I see the effort he's putting in. Or if the guide pulls up and explains the structure, points out the spot on the spot, and is educating me on why we're fishing there (seen big fish there yesterday, or situational based on his hunch or experience)...I tip a lot more. That's going above and beyond. If the guide is simply driving me around a milk-run of community spots he hits every day...not impressed. I can do that...don't need him for that.

2.)for dock staff...some don't do jack. Others are wiping condensation off my boat seats and/or windshields in the morning. Some run down to tie me up when i come in at night. Heck, some have even helped load stuff into the boat, or unload it. Drive it to my boat from the back of my truck on a 4 wheeler on Day 1 and help get me set up...YOU BET HES GETTING A BIG TIP. Other times, i have bad camp equipment and they said they'd swap out trolling motor batteries, get the fishing line out of the trolling motor prop (from the prior guest the week before)...if it wasn't done...yeah...not getting a tip. in fact, now I'm peeed off cause my batteries die 2 hours later. One time, I had to give the dock guy money to go into town to buy new trolling motor batteries! He got a nice tip.

3.)Kitchen and cabin staff. Yeah, I tip. Wait staff I tip like any other restaurant. I count the meals and the value/cost of the american plan and add 20% at the end of the week if the service is good. If its great...I tip more. If I ever got an attitude from the staff, then they would get tipped less (I never got an attitude from kitchen staff in canada though...they rock). I always go back and tip the cook (unlike a restaurant) and relay especially which meals i enjoyed the best. One time at AML, Theresa made me a special meal she knew I liked. She knew I was coming and knew I liked those meatballs cause I had asked her for the recipe when I left one year. They weren't on the menu that week, but she made a special tray for me. She's passed now, I miss her. I've had issues in the cabins sometimes though. One time, we came in one day and had no towels! They collected the dirties, but must have forgotten the fresh ones. We didn't tip less as it was an isolated incident. However, we let them know and they fixed it. If it happened again...i might be more annoyed and tip less.

So my point is that a tip by definition should be correlated to the level of service you get. Yeah, I get it having worked for tips in my life in the past...some people are just jerks or cheap. It sucks, but life isn't fair all the time. But I find that most people are honest and reasonable and if someone is providing good to great service they can expect an average to above average tip. Plain and simple. And BTW, the jerks/cheap skates are offset by the big spenders...so it averages out over time.

That's my $0.02.
Cowboyhannah
Posted 7/16/2015 8:03 AM (#776497 - in reply to #776477)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





Posts: 1456


Location: Kronenwetter, WI
Agree with ur .02$
esoxaddict
Posted 7/16/2015 11:55 AM (#776532 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: Re: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





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It kind of depends on what you're getting - Teresa made us a few meals as well, got dinner done early for us, etc. That was obviously reflected in her tip. Housekeeping staff get a larger tip depending on service. We're out fishing all day, and come back to clean towels, beds made, stuff tidied up, stuff we forgot put back in the refrigerator, AC on in the cabin when we left windows open in the morning... If the dock boys are helping us out a lot, they get more. If they're cleaning a lot of fish for us and getting us bait, they get more.

It's not as much about what we get as the effort they put in to make sure we are happy and comfortable. We always tip something, because I'm sure none of them are making terrific amounts of money. While nobody told them to get that job, there isn't much else to do up there and their job ends when the season ends. It's easy to forget that you're up there throwing away money you (obviously) don't need for other things, while the people making your stay enjoyable are often struggling to eat. While a tip isn't mandatory, I'm pretty sure everyone you tip weill appreciate the tip more than you will miss the money.
JSiegler
Posted 7/18/2015 7:03 AM (#776729 - in reply to #776298)
Subject: RE: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts




Posts: 62


Location: Wisconsin Rapids, WI
Thank you all for taking the time to reply.
NathanH
Posted 7/18/2015 7:52 AM (#776732 - in reply to #776532)
Subject: Re: Gratuity at American Plan Resorts





Posts: 859


Location: MN
esoxaddict - 7/16/2015 11:55 AM

It kind of depends on what you're getting - Teresa made us a few meals as well, got dinner done early for us, etc. That was obviously reflected in her tip. Housekeeping staff get a larger tip depending on service. We're out fishing all day, and come back to clean towels, beds made, stuff tidied up, stuff we forgot put back in the refrigerator, AC on in the cabin when we left windows open in the morning... If the dock boys are helping us out a lot, they get more. If they're cleaning a lot of fish for us and getting us bait, they get more.

It's not as much about what we get as the effort they put in to make sure we are happy and comfortable. We always tip something, because I'm sure none of them are making terrific amounts of money. While nobody told them to get that job, there isn't much else to do up there and their job ends when the season ends. It's easy to forget that you're up there throwing away money you (obviously) don't need for other things, while the people making your stay enjoyable are often struggling to eat. While a tip isn't mandatory, I'm pretty sure everyone you tip weill appreciate the tip more than you will miss the money.


This might be the most thought out post of the year. I could not agree more. This guy gets it.
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