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| During the past 2 trips in southern ontario I was able to raise about 6 muskie using eaither a bucktail or crankbait but they would always turn, my figure 8s look good so I don't think that's the issue. But my real question is do you guys throw a new bait out or the same bait that the fish followed to try to make it strike and what action/retrieve do you give. I would like to try to make these followers into strikers! Thanks |
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| Try throwing back rubber it works sometimes! |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | leave em for an hour and come back with the same style bait but maybe a different color and speed up the retrieve or slow it down. |
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Location: In a shack in the woods | ill toss a suick or weagle right back at it. if they don't eat come back later. How long are you figure 8ing for? I've had them come back after figure 8ing fir a minute or 2 and eat as well. |
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| These fish are employees of the Ontario Chamber of Commerce. They live in special protected pens where they are fed thousands of fat suckers all night long. All they are asked to do is swim around for an hour or two each day and follow baits. They are carefully trained not to actually eat those baits....only show their fat sucker stuffed stripes to the tourists. This is an unforgiveable sham perpetrated by resort owners and tackle manufacturers all over North America. I personally battle these hoaxs by choosing instead to stay home and just write about fishing on the internet where I can't be taken advantage of. |
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Location: Tomahawk,Wi | 3 of the 4 I caught in Canada were caught on a weagle throwing back at following fish. That weagle is now know as the "Closer". Awesome visuals! |
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Location: Wisconsin | depending on the conditions: really working a walk the dog bait slow can be key. Low light I would throw a Wolly Pog (awesome bait)... otherwise I would use an Red October tube and fish it slow and erratic.
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| I have never had any luck with a throwback lure. I've used tubes, Dawgs, top water, small bucktails....all the usual suspects, but to no avail. I have also had the same fish follow multiple times on the same lure while working a spot.
When you throw back with the Weagle, where do you throw it? Where the fish was originally raised from? Where it was last seen? In the direction it was headed when it left? |
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Location: Germantown, WI | Mike,
You are going to hear from a lot of guys with experience fishing NW Ontario where some on some lakes 50-80% fish are caught via the Figure 8 or large oval at boatside. I have no doubt that is true for those lakes especially for those skilled in that technique. The success on Figure 8s in the Kawarthas is typically not as high as that. We have caught them in the Figure 8 on Lower Buckhorn, but with much lower success. Throwing back a large tube like a Red October can sometimes work. For us the last few years have produced fewer follows and more actual strikes. Using big rubber baits, especially 10" Swimmin Joes and Red October Monster or Ninja Tubes as our go to baits has been the key. When we do get follows on Lower Buckhorn we don't seem to be able to convert very many of them. Having said that, I would recommend doing a figure 8 or large oval at the end of every cast because you never know.
Edited by MUSKYLUND1 8/6/2014 10:03 AM
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Location: NE PA | I always have a glider tied on as a throwback. Have had sucess with suicks as well... |
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| many fish that follow bucktails can be converted in Canada - your best shot is usually the first time you raise the fish (especially large fish) I make sure that at the very least the last 10 yards of the retrieve I get the bait near the surface and look behind the bait, see a fish you can often "move" the bucktail to have them eat before entering the L .... if they don't eat at first turn- reading the fish and really fine tuning your 8's put lots of fish in the boat in Canada, get them "mad" its a game of keep away.. the faster you can get the fish moving the more likely it will decide to eat the bait. make sure you give them a chance to overtake the bait high outside turn. I throw other baits if they are not following tails. Eat at your feet doesn't get much better 
Edited by IAJustin 8/6/2014 10:21 AM
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Location: Tomahawk,Wi | What worked for me, and believe me that i am by no means an expert, was to throw the weagle back in the vicinity of were I thought I originally raised the fish. |
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| My advice:
Make sure your boat is a mess, be sure there's something tangled in your net, and make sure your camera and tape measure are in the wrong pocket of your tackle bag. Then once you get a follow, look at the sky, slap a fly off your leg or something, and tell your partner to wing his lure out as far as he can and try and get it snagged. This will definitely get the fish to strike!
I'm really starting to think there's something about not being ready, or beginner's luck that creates the best figure-8s...
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| Definatly some new things to try out now, thanks for all the help guys! |
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Location: tamahawk,wi-elmwood pk,il | There are going to be many different thoughts from a lot of fishing pros about turning follows into a strike. The casting technique Joe Bucher showed me when guiding over 35 years ago I still apply today. In shallower water your bait should be working when it hits the water. Keep your eye on your bait all times. Half way of the retrieve make a left or right turn depending your boat pass. Change speeds though out your retrieve. If you have a follow you can spot near the end of your retrieve make again a left or right turn. Many fish can be turned into strikes by speed and direction change. I am sure everyone agrees that a good figure 8 is important but there are many thing you can do to before a fish gets near the boat. But most important are your follows close to your bait or lazy. Come back later and change angles of your cast. Changing baits can often work when you return. But many times it can be the bait that moved the fish is what turned em on. But I always use a erratic action throw back bait before leaving the spot. I still believe its what you do during your retrieve to trigger fish. Follows will always drive musky fisherman crazy ! |
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| All you have to do is stop paying attention. |
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