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| Is it to hot for me to successfully catch and release a muskie without seriously injuring the fish? IF not what tactics should I be using? Spinnerbait around timber? |
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| 80 degrees surface temperature is a general guideline to stop fishing due to the increased stress on the fish and the increased risk of delayed mortality. It is not illegal to fish for them but you have to decide if it is worth it.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=96...
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Location: E. Tenn | Yes... the folks on Cave Run generally quit by the end of May, and crank back up in late September.
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| Thanks for the replies guys I don't want to hurt the musky population here worse than it is hurt every spring when people catch up to 10 a day below the spill way and keep them its ridiculous. I guess ill bass fish till the water cools down. |
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| This post got me thinking about this 80 degree line that most muskie anglers draw in the sand to shut down their muskie fishing (I am 1 of those types).
My thought is, why doesn't Muskies Inc come out with an opinion on this subject? There is certainly enough talk about it and research on the amount of DO in water as the temps rise to form their own hypothesis.
They give guidelines to how to hold and properly handle a fish after the catch, but as far as I know they have never touched the subject of delayed mortality due to stress during high water temp months.
I think more anglers that don't follow this unwritten rule would follow it if an entity like MI would take a stand. |
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| As with other subjects, what you say has far reaching effects. It speaks loudly to guides who sacrifice trip days, resorts, restaurants, bars, tackle shops, and the list goes on. Draw a line in the sand and you impact the living earned by many. That said, you see big-name guides like Tony Grant and Greg Thomas leaving the Southern climes and fishing up North during the summer. Madison's top stick Jeff Hanson leaves for the cooler water of LSC and gives the SE Wisconsin chain a chance to cool off too. And, I'd bet that any of those three could successfully release a fish in eighty degree water almost all the time. It's not a subject to sit around and make Papal decrees over....just a thing to give serious consideration to when you can. I'm mostly honing my smallmouth skills right now! |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | middlefork61 - 7/9/2014 9:02 PM
Thanks for the replies guys I don't want to hurt the musky population here worse than it is hurt every spring when people catch up to 10 a day below the spill way and keep them its ridiculous. I guess ill bass fish till the water cools down. Kentucky Daily limit on muskie statewide is one fish minimum 30" and two in possession, on Cave Run Lake the size limit is 36"'s and two in possession. Since the Rangers control the dam, and State Game Wardens monitor the lake and river, the chances of getting arrested is high. I fish the tail waters some mostly when the lake water is over the temperature of 78* as the river water is drawn from the bottom of the lake. and runs about 50*to 65* year round. All the time I have fished there I have never seen anyone keep a musky, There was a51"er kept there last spring but I didn't see it. |
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| I'm talking about at buckhorn and I have witnessed it myself. The old timers from the hollers around here don't think size limit or posseion limit pertain to them. They just do it the way they were taught I guess keep everything you catch. |
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| Dunlap - 7/10/2014 6:34 AM
This post got me thinking about this 80 degree line that most muskie anglers draw in the sand to shut down their muskie fishing (I am 1 of those types).
My thought is, why doesn't Muskies Inc come out with an opinion on this subject? There is certainly enough talk about it and research on the amount of DO in water as the temps rise to form their own hypothesis.
They give guidelines to how to hold and properly handle a fish after the catch, but as far as I know they have never touched the subject of delayed mortality due to stress during high water temp months.
I think more anglers that don't follow this unwritten rule would follow it if an entity like MI would take a stand.
They just did in the last mag and biologists have actually tested this. They said no fish died in their testing and they also tested keeping fish out of water for 90sec vs the recommended 30sec. No fish died there either. They did say its prob not good idea but dont feel bad if your on a fishing trip and its above 80.
Do guides stop taking clients out when the temps get above 80? |
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Location: NE PA | The mention of cave run the other day got me thinking about this subject as well. I would think that using barbless hooks would go a long way in survival rates... |
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"Do guides stop taking clients out when the temps get above 80?"
Yes, almost if not all in the "southern waters" do ... KY, IN, IL, etc do stop fishing and guiding for muskie around the 80 degree mark.
Gregg Thomas is 1 of the finest, most respected muskie guides anywhere and has probably handled more muskies in his lifetime then most biologists. He used to stop guiding, stop making an income in KY during hot water months. Now he goes North and guides in order to avoid it. Tony Grant, same way. Chad Cain is another guide that would leave IL and head North during the Summer.
Hard to argue with the experts.
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Location: Perryville, MO | Dunlap - 7/11/2014 6:23 AM
"Do guides stop taking clients out when the temps get above 80?" Yes, almost if not all in the "southern waters" do...
As it's been discussed a million times here, alot of variables come into play. But I think the difference between the "northern" and "southern" waters is missed by some everytime this subject comes up. Do guides on "northern" water stop guiding when the water hits the 80 degree threshold for a short period of time? Many don't. It may just be high surface temps with plenty of thermal refuge with good levels of disolved oxygen just a bit deeper in the water column. They have scheduled clients in a somewhat upredictable set of circumstances. Should you take precautions in such situations? Most do. However, do "southern" water guides quit fishing as we near the summer and see 80 degree temps set-up for several months? Yep, almost all of them on most systems.
No reason to have a trip ruined. 80 degree water is pretty predictable on Southern waters.
When things get iced over in the Fall up North come on down and extend your season. Before open season in the Spring come on down and get an early start. Schedule a trip between May and September leave your darn muskie gear at home and fish for bass. Problem solved. No ruined trip. Less floating fish. Everyone's happy.
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| Went out today just on a boat ride in my new boat on the lake and the temp was 84 didn't even have any rods with me can't wait till the water cools down. |
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