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| Many other sources now reporting it.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25887169/zebra-mussels-confirm...
http://www.kare11.com/story/news/local/2014/06/27/zebra-mussels-fou... |
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Look on the bright side - maybe the wakeboarders will cut their feet on the mussel shells and seek other waters... |
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| Its inevitable. Not that I like it, but it will be much more widespread in a few years. In NW Ontario last week I heard on the radio conversations, round tables, etc about "keeping them out" since they are in Northern MN. |
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| dfkiii - 6/27/2014 10:47 AM
Look on the bright side - maybe the wakeboarders will cut their feet on the mussel shells and seek other waters...
I like what you did here, but if Pelican is any indicator, that probably won't be the case. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | I don't think they'll be a lake in Minnesota or Iowa not infested within 5 years. Make that 4 years since I predicted this last year. |
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Location: NE Ohio | we've had them infest our inland lakes here in NE ohio. the waters clear up, fishin is fishin. they peak out, the water returns to color, fishin is fishin. about a ten year cycle for us. all of our fish are stocked so i don't know what it would do to the spawners. they have been in lake erie for allot longer and the walleye fishin just keeps on getting better! |
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| Not the end of the world. Like the previous post...it's a cycle.
Saw this happen on the local pond. Infested with zebras and the system got very clear. Then it stabilized and is regaining it's color. It didn't affect muskie fishing as much as it did other stuff. Walleye population crashed (there were other factors as well) and the LM bass population exploded. 5-10 years from now who knows but it is slowly improving. |
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Location: The desert | djwilliams - 6/27/2014 5:05 PM
I don't think they'll be a lake in Minnesota or Iowa not infested within 5 years. Make that 4 years since I predicted this last year.
I'll take that bet. What's the wager?
One thing people lose sight of is, there are a lot more things out there that can be prevented from introduction than the species that are currently here and are spreading. Things that are much, much worse. |
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Location: new richmond, wi. & isle, mn | ^^^ zombies? |
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Location: The desert | jchiggins - 6/28/2014 7:13 AM
^^^ zombies?
Even worse. You can get rid of zombies, despite what the idiots on Walking Dead would have you believe. |
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Location: Yahara River Chain | Pointerpride102 - 6/28/2014 9:05 AM
Even worse. .
Pointers in Utah????  |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Pointerpride; "One thing people lose sight of is, there are a lot more things out there that can be prevented from introduction than the species that are currently here and are spreading. Things that are much, much worse."
What does that have to do with my thought that Iowa and Mn will be overrun in 4 years? I know there are things that are worse. That wasn't the discussion. My observation is that boaters are moving zebra mussels and the acceleration of that will continue to increase as more lakes become infested. In other words, because more lakes are infested...other lakes will become infested sooner. |
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| I like zebra mussels, but then again I like clean water and catching fish. |
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| Capt bigfish - 6/28/2014 11:58 AM
I like zebra mussels, but then again I like clean water and catching fish.
We have them the water is clearer and the fishing has never been better. |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | You guys can keep em, I don't want em... |
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Location: The desert | djwilliams - 6/28/2014 10:35 AM
Pointerpride; "One thing people lose sight of is, there are a lot more things out there that can be prevented from introduction than the species that are currently here and are spreading. Things that are much, much worse."
What does that have to do with my thought that Iowa and Mn will be overrun in 4 years? I know there are things that are worse. That wasn't the discussion. My observation is that boaters are moving zebra mussels and the acceleration of that will continue to increase as more lakes become infested. In other words, because more lakes are infested...other lakes will become infested sooner.
Didn't say it had anything to do with your comment. Hence why I started a different paragraph.
Again, what's the wager? I'll take that bet in a heartbeat. |
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| It's not the end of the world...evolve.
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Location: Minnesota | At the current rate of less than 10 lakes per year (a guess but I don't think there has been more than 10 in one year) being infested...... I can see over 10,000 lakes being infested in the next 4 years. Yep, the math looks good to me.
I completely understand your point about exponential growth, but the base is still too small for the timeframe given and the education and restrictions will have an impact on spread. There are too many lakes for them all to be impacted... although you might be closer if you predict all of the popular recreational lakes will become infested.
Zebra mussels will likely keep infesting new lakes for years but I am already surprised that the number of lakes isn't much larger. That either means we are not identifying lakes as infested very early or the spread isn't as easy or fast as feared.
Either way, we will have to learn to live with these things until a solution is found to eliminate them. I'm not holding my breath for that.
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Location: The desert | brmusky - 7/1/2014 6:50 AM
At the current rate of less than 10 lakes per year (a guess but I don't think there has been more than 10 in one year) being infested...... I can see over 10,000 lakes being infested in the next 4 years. Yep, the math looks good to me.
I completely understand your point about exponential growth, but the base is still too small for the timeframe given and the education and restrictions will have an impact on spread. There are too many lakes for them all to be impacted... although you might be closer if you predict all of the popular recreational lakes will become infested.
Zebra mussels will likely keep infesting new lakes for years but I am already surprised that the number of lakes isn't much larger. That either means we are not identifying lakes as infested very early or the spread isn't as easy or fast as feared.
Or perhaps education and a change in boater behavior is having an impact on the speed of the spread.
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Pointer and br-
I did not mean every body of water in IA and MN- no. What I was gettin at was the larger, popular lakes and those connected via waterways. Whitefish Chain, Winnie, Mille Lacs, the Rum River, Mississippi and it's tribs, Minnesota,
St. Croix, Pepin, Lansing area in Iowa, the Upper Iowa, Turkey and Maquoketa. All connected somehow. In Iowa, it'll take a couple selfish boaters- and I know these guys- we write posts about these guys on the water and at the boat ramps- who want to ski Clear Lake on Saturday and then West Okoboji on Sunday. East Okoboji (already there), the Little Sioux River, Missouri River, ...
In MN, it'll be someone's trip to Mille Lacs in the morning, then an afternoon and evening up on Wabedo and Little Boy for some high quality muskie fishing. Leech next. Metro lakes ought to go pretty quick. Some Iowan who wants to fish Clear Lake first, then the Cannon Chain, or French, or Cedar in southern Minnesota will help to infest those lakes. As the web of infested lakes expands and the number of infested boats increases, isn't it logical to assume-education notwithstanding- that the speed at which other lakes and streams become infested will increase as well? Is there research about upstream movement of zebras in a river system?
I see the bonanza created at Lake Erie by super clear water, and I understand the idea of the cyclical nature (boom/bust) of infestations, but infestation still means something not right and unwanted, be it zebras, asian carp, eurasian water millfoil, rusty crayfish, etc. I think the war is being lost now because of the disregard for education and enforcement. Learning how we accommodate and adjust to these invasives will be the issue for the next 15 years. |
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Location: The desert | That's a far cry from what you initially wrote.
Mussels don't move upstream, unless carried there.
As I stated before, the war isn't centrally focused on zebes and EWM. Obviously these are a concern and unwanted, but the larger goal is an educated boater population and changing behaviors to prevent introduction of things that arent currently present. There are plants and animals that would make people beg for zebes and EWM. Looking at the data I look at, boaters are becoming more aware and are following laws more and more.
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Location: Grand Forks ND | Between the wakeboarders and mussels in the area, I see no reason to ever fish DL again. Everyone please stay away. |
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