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Message Subject: Conservation Congress Results WI
Larry Ramsell
Posted 4/20/2014 7:53 AM (#707807 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI




Posts: 1291


Location: Hayward, Wisconsin
Is there a bridge between Illinois and Wisconsin? In the UP, they call those below the bridge "Trolls". Maybe the FIBer's fit that category as well.
Peaches
Posted 4/20/2014 9:29 AM (#707816 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI




Posts: 273


How wide is it between the 51 bridge pillars that goes over minoqua? I want to make sure my trolling spread will fit. With 6 in the boat we should be able to cover some ground.
danmuskyman
Posted 4/20/2014 9:40 AM (#707817 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI




Posts: 633


Location: Madison, WI
Why would you guys wanna troll Minoqua anyways? Everyone knows Hayward is home to 5 world record musky!:)
dfkiii
Posted 4/20/2014 9:50 AM (#707818 - in reply to #707817)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI

You need to replace "Everyone knows" with "Every FIB believes".

danmuskyman - 4/20/2014 9:40 AM

Why would you guys wanna troll Minoqua anyways? Everyone knows Hayward is home to 5 world record musky!:)
BenR
Posted 4/20/2014 10:08 AM (#707819 - in reply to #707818)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI


dfkiii - 4/20/2014 9:50 AM


You need to replace "Everyone knows" with "Every FIB believes".

danmuskyman - 4/20/2014 9:40 AM

Why would you guys wanna troll Minoqua anyways? Everyone knows Hayward is home to 5 world record musky!:)


Louie Spray and that nonsense represents WI, if the majority of WI folks did not believe, the "records" would be gone. You can't blame your goofy legacy on FIBs, it is all yours:-))
jonnysled
Posted 4/20/2014 10:10 AM (#707820 - in reply to #707819)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
BenR - 4/20/2014 10:08 AM

dfkiii - 4/20/2014 9:50 AM


You need to replace "Everyone knows" with "Every FIB believes".

danmuskyman - 4/20/2014 9:40 AM

Why would you guys wanna troll Minoqua anyways? Everyone knows Hayward is home to 5 world record musky!:)


Louie Spray and that nonsense represents WI, if the majority of WI folks did not believe, the "records" would be gone. You can't blame your goofy legacy on FIBs, it is all yours:-))


what happened to you at summer camp Ben? … the wounds seem like they are pretty deep.
dfkiii
Posted 4/20/2014 10:15 AM (#707821 - in reply to #707819)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI

Grab the net !

BenR - 4/20/2014 10:08 AM

dfkiii - 4/20/2014 9:50 AM


You need to replace "Everyone knows" with "Every FIB believes".

danmuskyman - 4/20/2014 9:40 AM

Why would you guys wanna troll Minoqua anyways? Everyone knows Hayward is home to 5 world record musky!:)


Louie Spray and that nonsense represents WI, if the majority of WI folks did not believe, the "records" would be gone. You can't blame your goofy legacy on FIBs, it is all yours:-))
Mr Musky
Posted 4/21/2014 11:14 AM (#707918 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 999


What is the best reel for trolling double tens???
dfkiii
Posted 4/21/2014 12:04 PM (#707934 - in reply to #707918)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI

Try a Penn Senator 14/0

Mr Musky - 4/21/2014 11:14 AM

What is the best reel for trolling double tens???
Reef Hawg
Posted 4/21/2014 12:21 PM (#707937 - in reply to #707918)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI




Posts: 3518


Location: north central wisconsin
Mr Musky - 4/21/2014 11:14 AM

What is the best reel for trolling double tens???


Just tie it to the end of the rod. The fish will likely be dead anyhow, if eaten while trolled.
Jerry Newman
Posted 4/21/2014 8:12 PM (#708008 - in reply to #707937)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI




Location: 31




Reef Hawg - 4/21/2014 12:21 PM
Mr Musky - 4/21/2014 11:14 AM What is the best reel for trolling double tens???
Just tie it to the end of the rod. The fish will likely be dead anyhow, if eaten while trolled.

Haha, how true! 

All kidding aside, I think it’s interesting to contemplate the rationale behind why there was a trolling ban enacted to begin with… was it a perceived fear of trolling being too effective and decimating the fisheries, or was it protection of one's own home waters back in the day similar to the outlawing the Suick? 

Why the fear of the fisheries suffering when the ban is lifted when trolling seems to be okay nearly everywhere on the planet except a few isolated pockets in Wisconsin. Seriously, how is it that these areas have had such an advanced understanding of how detrimental trolling is to their “unique” fisheries than anywhere else? 

Regarding the muskie first part of the equation; I can completely understand wanting to maintain a “casting only tradition”, or to help keep the FIBS off their home waters, but would also like to see some people just pony up to the real reason they are opposed to trolling, and not cite some perceived harm to their fishery when there is virtually no difference in pressure when you compare two guys trolling 6 artificial lures, versus two guys casting while soaking 4 suckers. 

From my seat here, I think that claiming to be concerned about the fishery from trolling pressure alone while condoning multiple rods for sucker fishing is very close to talking out both sides of your mouth. 

I think it's an even sillier argument that a boat trolling at 3-4 miles an hour will somehow disturb the “peace and tranquility” more than the jet and water skiers (okay except maybe Todd’s rig), or that the evil trolls will spread their pestilence in the form of an invasive species.

Regarding the thought that a pontoon boat with a bunch of kids and 20 rods will be a problem, it would take such a high level of sophistication to run multiple rods off a boat loaded with kids like that… well, it is hardly worth mentioning. Hypothetical; what's the difference between using the same kids to run multiple suckers off that same boat with the current rules?   

What about the muskie guides in the restricted areas, trolling would open up new opportunities, while attracting new business to the area. Nuts and bolts; there is certainly a segment of the population (mostly FIBS) who are interested in hiring a guide in Wisconsin, but do not want to cast all day. That potential business is simply being lost to other areas, and it's not just the guides loss either, it's a trickle-down deal with the local resorts, restaurants, etc. and vice versa.  

Like Pete said; there might be an increase in trolling initially, but wouldn't this also be a shot in the arm to the local economies? Some of you may not be “starving to death”, but I’d guess there are others who are hanging on by a couple threads about this time of the year, and a deposit would be very welcome.

 



Edited by Jerry Newman 4/21/2014 8:13 PM
dfkiii
Posted 4/21/2014 8:59 PM (#708015 - in reply to #708008)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI
I'm aware of a few lakes in Sawyer County where jet and water skiers aren't allowed (well, they are if you enjoy those activities at 10mph or less) and at a few more that restrict water skiing to to a four hour window in the afternoon.

Will trolling disturb some folks "peace and tranquility" ? Without a doubt. Is that "silly" ? I'd bet that the people who pay to stay at the resorts on those lakes for the express reason of peace and tranquility won't think so.

Jerry Newman - 4/21/2014 8:12 PM
I think it's an even sillier argument that a boat trolling at 3-4 miles an hour will somehow disturb the “peace and tranquility” more than the jet and water skiers


Edited by dfkiii 4/21/2014 9:00 PM
Mr Musky
Posted 4/21/2014 9:07 PM (#708016 - in reply to #707937)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 999


Reefhawg, "The fish will likely be dead anyhow if eaten while trolled"... Now that sounds detrimental to me?
ToddM
Posted 4/21/2014 9:10 PM (#708017 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 20219


Location: oswego, il
I am going to scrap my Briggs trolling motors. Working on a steam powered outboard. Black smoke anyone! chug a chug a troll!
dfkiii
Posted 4/21/2014 9:24 PM (#708021 - in reply to #708017)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI

Be sure to buy your wood locally.

ToddM - 4/21/2014 9:10 PM

I am going to scrap my Briggs trolling motors. Working on a steam powered outboard. Black smoke anyone! chug a chug a troll!
ToddM
Posted 4/21/2014 9:30 PM (#708023 - in reply to #708021)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 20219


Location: oswego, il
Going with coal. Acid rain is a hoax too.
Johnnie
Posted 4/22/2014 7:23 AM (#708046 - in reply to #708023)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 285


Location: NE Wisconsin
Jerry Newman - 4/21/2014 8:12 PM
I think it's an even sillier argument that a boat trolling at 3-4 miles an hour will somehow disturb the “peace and tranquility”

Have you ever been fishing on beautiful quiet October day, on a small northern WI lake, when there are dueling leave blowers doing their thing, a couple of lawn mowers, 3 dogs having a barking contest, and a boom box blasting to the threshold of pain? Add to this the sound of water coming out the side of a four stroke motor, trolling at 3 MPH, striking the surface and the noise will be unbearable. Tranquility ruined!!
jonnysled
Posted 4/22/2014 7:34 AM (#708049 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 13688


Location: minocqua, wi.
if jerry is trolling down a line and tom gelb is trolling the other way with oars, who has the right of way?
Mr Musky
Posted 4/22/2014 7:38 AM (#708052 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 999


Gelb!
Gander Mt Guide
Posted 4/22/2014 8:53 AM (#708062 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 2515


Location: Waukesha & Land O Lakes, WI
After the DNR announced bag limits for Vilas/Oneida co's, I'm sure many of you are glad you're not trailering up there to troll walleyes.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/fishing/ceded/baglimits.html
dfkiii
Posted 4/22/2014 12:14 PM (#708100 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI
Wow, Todd is going to be trailering his steamboat around quite a bit if he wants to get a daily limit in my neck of the woods.

Edited by dfkiii 4/22/2014 12:15 PM
sworrall
Posted 4/22/2014 2:24 PM (#708130 - in reply to #706989)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 32886


Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin
2 on George again.

This is why Keith and I have worked so hard to figure out the really good trophy panfish populations up here. Now those could be in trouble because LOTS of others did the same, and they don't have an issue with keeping 25 a person a day. Every day.

Good thing I like to eat smallish Pike. We still have plenty of those.
dfkiii
Posted 4/22/2014 8:03 PM (#708197 - in reply to #708130)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Location: Sawyer County, WI

Same by us Steve. Plenty of pigs taking their daily limits multiple times a day too. Always good to have the DNR tip line on speed dial...

sworrall - 4/22/2014 2:24 PM

2 on George again.

This is why Keith and I have worked so hard to figure out the really good trophy panfish populations up here. Now those could be in trouble because LOTS of others did the same, and they don't have an issue with keeping 25 a person a day. Every day.

Good thing I like to eat smallish Pike. We still have plenty of those.
Jerry Newman
Posted 4/22/2014 8:34 PM (#708208 - in reply to #708197)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI




Location: 31

Johnnie, I take it you have fished “barking dog lake” on a quiet day in October before as well… pretty funny stuff. 

Sled, don't be “silly”, everybody knows that TG gets preferential treatment… maybe someday (if I behave?) I'll get a police escort to the lake like him?   

Todd, I saw a little riverboat for sale today with a Briggs & Stratton engine mounted on the back… it even had the high dollar adapter muffler that makes it sound just like a Husaqvara. I'll drop you a PM so no one else on here can beat you to it, but you better act quick because a rig that sweet is not going to last. 

Steve, this might start the real controversy; hammer handle northern pike taste better than walleye or panfish. 



Edited by Jerry Newman 4/22/2014 8:37 PM
esoxaddict
Posted 4/22/2014 10:26 PM (#708217 - in reply to #708046)
Subject: Re: Conservation Congress Results WI





Posts: 8782


Johnnie - 4/22/2014 7:23 AM

Jerry Newman - 4/21/2014 8:12 PM
I think it's an even sillier argument that a boat trolling at 3-4 miles an hour will somehow disturb the “peace and tranquility”

Have you ever been fishing on beautiful quiet October day, on a small northern WI lake, when there are dueling leave blowers doing their thing, a couple of lawn mowers, 3 dogs having a barking contest, and a boom box blasting to the threshold of pain? Add to this the sound of water coming out the side of a four stroke motor, trolling at 3 MPH, striking the surface and the noise will be unbearable. Tranquility ruined!!


If that's what you consider a quiet October Day, you're fishing in the wrong place.
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