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Location: MN | Top H2O - 3/4/2014 11:15 PM
I'm for a 55" limit on some Mn. Lakes,... Just because they might give us 54" Some times you need to GIVE in order to GET . Personally, I'll get a Replica.
I would say that Vermilion might be one of those lakes |
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| If it could get raised to 52"es even that'd be great. For non-musky fishers often times legal limits indicate the size of fish that's encouraged to keep. In MN I realize education is much more advanced then places like my home state of Iowa, but still if you want people to put 50" fish back the best bet is to raise the limit above 50"es. I feel it's the thrill of catching muskies that brings people to the sport, not taking them home with them. I doubt there'd be negative effects in that regard. |
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Location: Shoepack | sworrall - 3/4/2014 4:09 PM
If 100% catch and release is ever a reality, the Muskie program crashes if NR isn't reliable.
What does "NR" mean? |
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Location: MN | Natural Reproduction |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | The only reason I fully support a 55" live release limit is because I do not believe we can pass a 58" one!! |
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Location: Maplewood, MN | I'd like to see a 55" min. Like said before, if 100 c&r I think the resource might get less funding. I like the stamp idea BUT instead of pushing for a stamp, just donate to Muskies Inc. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Why 55"? Just make it same a Canada max at 54"! That's a pretty hefty fish. Is this a who's got the biggest swanz contest? I agree with Steve W. 100% C&R will never work, it would be a miserable failure!
Have fun!
Al |
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| 99% of all musky fisherman are catch and release, so why not put it at 50 inches. What are the chances of someone that doesn't fish for them catching one that big and if they do they are not going to release it properly or they are going to tire it out and stress it due to the lack of proper tackle so its not going to live anyways. It would be nice if someone accidentally has one die that they could keep it and have it mounted to give it the respect it deserves instead of letting it sink. Some fish are going to die and it sucks but there is nothing anybody can due about it.
The problem is not musky fisherman its everyone else that don't know any better. |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | MuskieFever - 3/5/2014 1:30 PM
I'd like to see a 55" min. Like said before, if 100 c&r I think the resource might get less funding. I like the stamp idea BUT instead of pushing for a stamp, just donate to Muskies Inc.
I think if the state offered a stamp it might be a way to indicate just how popular musky fishing is and the importance of protecting and expanding the resource. |
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Location: Tower, Lake Vermilion | Minnesota will be going to a 50 inch minimum in 2015. There is also a possibility of special regs lakes in 2016 with a 56 inch minimum. Thanks to the MMPA and it's members.
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| Being an angler who has actually caught and released a 55 incher. I feel size limits like this should be for certain waters that are producing these giants. I have mixed emotions on the subject. I think that MI and the musky community have educated the public enough that it's more popular to photo and release than to keep and eat or mount. I think the one size fits all approach is like, not being able to musky fish Mille at night because of the walleyes. There are certain lakes and strains that won't get to 55 if they could because of genetics, habitat or overabundance as in Some Wisconsin waters I fish. |
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Location: WI | aceguide - 3/5/2014 9:08 PM
Minnesota will be going to a 50 inch minimum in 2015. There is also a possibility of special regs lakes in 2016 with a 56 inch minimum. Thanks to the MMPA and it's members.
"Ace"
This is how I think it should be. Seems to make more sense. Maybe Cass, Winnie, Leech, those should be protected. V and the Pond of course. |
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Location: Elk River, MN | I don't want to tank this discussion and create "Family Feud" here as I agree completely, let's raise it. The problem I have is that a couple of the waters I fish are speared annually and if "we" increase the catch size, then we should also adjust spearing numbers in order to accomplish what the end goal is; otherwise it's fruitless IMO.
Edited by dhacker 4/1/2014 8:22 AM
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| Hey folks! First post here. I guess my opinion would be to raise the statewide minimum to 50 or 52 and then have a higher minimum for lakes capable of producing true giants. Some lakes in MN aren't capable of producing a 55" fish. They just don't have the prey base for it. To be honest though, I wouldn't care either way cuz I don't ever plan to keep one anyways and don't need my name in the limelight if I actually did catch a state record. Actually, get rid of state and world records IMO. |
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| I'd say at least 90% of all MN lakes stocked with LL strain for 15+ years (enough time to produce a 54-55" fish) have done so....leechers get long if you don't kill them.. |
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Location: Walker, MN | IAJustin - 4/1/2014 10:00 PM
I'd say at least 90% of all MN lakes stocked with LL strain for 15+ years (enough time to produce a 54-55" fish) have done so....leechers get long if you don't kill them.. That's what I was thinking, especially that first generation of adult fish with little competition for food. |
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Location: Alexandria, Minnesota | Now I would like to see a ban on the single hook sucker rigs in this state like Wisconsin did...Have seen to many large fish being killed on them on the lakes that I fish and the 55 is also a great idea because it would save the number of 50 inchers that have been kept in West Central MN the last few years. One local taxidermist in Detroit Lakes had 28 caught from Detroit Lakes in one season just a few years ago... But he is the same guy brain washing local tourist coming from North Dakota that they might as well keep a 50 if the catch one because they have reached the end of the life cycle anyways...And yes most of the big ones were caught on Suckers by guys that are giving the fish a good 20 minutes before they set the hook, because you have to make sure they swallow the $12 sucker minnow from the local bait store before you set the hook... sorry about the rant.. |
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| As for the 55 inch minimum call it what it is ! 100 0/0 catch and release! (I released my 55 ) and that was my choice, but there are some that will get mishandled or over stressed I would rather see them on top of a mantle than turtle bait.
Educate! don't beat a guy up if he keeps one (it may have been your floater!)
There are less than 10 people worldwide that are in the 55 and up category every year that are MI members, maybe 1 -4 outside MI.
So don't disguise it.
I do feel Mille, Vermillion, Leech should have higher minimum as they are high pressured and have the potential for a World Record.
I think it would be easier for the public to swallow than the one size fits all!
We just made the jump from 40 to 48!
I think 55 statewide is a reach in the wrong direction.
A DNR guy I had a conversation with today pertaining to night fishing MILLE said (the Musky fisherman are so few they aren't even part of the equation when it comes to managing a lake!)
I think it its up to us a MI members, to put the pressure on the DNR and the public to manage the true trophy potential waters in our states.
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| not all of us can afford a quality replica a good replica of a 50 inch muskie your looking at almost a grand. I do catch and release but when I finnaly get a 50 plus inch muskie im getting a skin mount done as long as they keep the regs the same in WI |
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Lund guy,
What is the going rate for Great Skin mounts? I had a smallmouth bass that I caught as a kid and it looks terrible. It was not done by a great taxidermist. I have considered getting a replica made of it.
Replicas have survived house fires with smoke and water damage and look great yet. Many look incredible for 20 years and will look the same in 50 years.
I think many people have that thought when they finally catch their 50" keeper. then they cram it into a undersized freezer or to the nearest taxidermist. How many guys with good intentions follow thru with a mount that may cost $500.00? Last time I checked replicas by the best in the business are $13 or so an inch with a sportshow discount. $650 for a 50 inch mount that last forever. I have not seen many great skin mounts. I did see a 60" mount done of a fish from Lac Suel before the total release was put into effect. It was incredible and a piece of world class work.
the Ministry of Natural Resources put it in place to protect these very valuable fish.
Now when I catch a true giant I would spend the $$$ needed for a World Class Mount if I so choose to keep it. I guarantee it would be more expensive than the replicas. I would have researched my taxidermist ahead of time and know who is going to do my work ahead of time.
Would you be happy saving $200 bucks for your once in a lifetime fish and have it look anything less than great?
What if you release that 50" and then catch it 3 years later when she is 54? It has happened many times. Catch and Release works. These fish are Valuable they need protection.
There are some incredible other ways of preserving your trophy. Look at some of the large blown up photographs they look incredible and are lots cheaper than traditional taxidermy.
Sorry I just don't buy the skin mount cheaper than replica argument.
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| Join MI chapter 30 we draw for a free replica for members catching fish over 45 inches every year!
You may get a fifty this year and not win it and a 46 next year and win it we do your choice as long as you caught it!
www.lacrossmuskies.com
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| Steve,
You hit the nail on the head with skin verses replica.
Minnesota needs this to pass, this resource brings in millions of dollars of tourism per year. Look at the expo on Friday people buying big baits for big fish. Not little baits for little fish!
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Location: Watertown, MN | More fish are caught over 55 then 10 a year, not everyone post on the lunge log for reasons. Why should other gather my info, of what, were and when.
Interesting info I heard tuesday, was the DNR landing creel surveys indicated 80+ muskie averaging 36lbs were killed in like 08 or 09 on Mill Lacs. that is only a percentage of what didn't swim away. Wonder were the fish are, don't need 2nd grade education to figure that out!! Huge hole in population..
Last I checked skin mount are the same price as repo, unless you are having some newby practice on a fish.
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| if you take and dust a skin mount off its fine I have several fish mouns that are skin and look fine and I do my own taxidermy work because im going to school to become a taxidermist. s on a skin mount its also easier to re create pigmintation and vermiculations I have a few skin mounts that are 15 years old and look the same as the day I picked them up.Great |
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| Well now that's a commendable proposal, although would like to see them all released no matter of the size. Great work MI Chapter 54 !  Was on a run to NYC. and stopped at Cabela's in Hamburg, Pa. saw some healthy looking Tiger muskies in their fish tanks More good work by a MI Chapter I believe ... MI 50. |
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