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Location: Planet Meltdown | I keep seeing posts of people using longer rods like the Big nasty and Big Dawgs for throwing bigger jerk and glide baits. How exactly are you fellas using these without constantly slapping the water while working the bait? Are you 7' tall or do you fish from a pontoon boat? lol |
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| I use a 8-6 st croix and you can jerk/twitch the rod at an angle instead of straight down |
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Location: Planet Meltdown | The longest rod I have used is my 7'6" Legend Jerk. Do you still get that wide, side to side action when your working the rod on an angle? |
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| Yes the only bait I have noticed that changed with the long rods is suicks I can still work them better on my 6 foot pool stick type rod |
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| I use a 6'9" compre for all walk-the-Dog glides, top waters and jerk baits.
It does not have a tranx on it.
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| I noticed that too Brian and thought the same thing...The only flaw I see by using those 9' rods are that it a fish grabs the Bait at the end of a long pull, That hook set could be a little tough.....where if you are fishing a shorter rod straight ahead and that happens you just have to snap that rod tip up .......I've found it easier with the shorter rods myself..But that's just me.. Mike |
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Location: Planet Meltdown | I just can't see it being a very effective way to work that type of bait but hey I had to ask. Maybe I will have to give it a try with one of your rods, Mike. I can definitely see where it wouldn't work well for a rise and dive style bait. PJV - I still use my first musky rod a (7' M Compre MH) for smaller glide baits. I really like that rod. |
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| I use 8'6" and 9' for suicks. You actually need to move the longer rod much less to get same leverage so I have not had issues with slapping the water. With glides I tend to use upward taps so that has not been an issue either. Really like the benefit of hooking and keeping fished pinned with longer rods. BR |
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Location: Minneapolis, MN | With longer rods you typically end up angling your pull to the side instead of straight down for the most part. Now if seen people use a 9' ft and not need to pull the the side, but they were guides so they've had a hell of a lot more practice then anyone I know. I spent 2 days working phantoms and hellhounds with a 9'3" rod last fall with a guide and I just never really felt like I got the hang of it but I'm sure others would have. |
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Location: Quebec, Canada | I feel like the learning curve for the ‘’working the bait part’’ can be more easily done with shorter rods. I have been doing it with 8’6’’ rod and it felt a bit awkward… and I wasn’t sure if I was doing it well at all. It’s hard to get the much needed confidence in a lure or technique without being sure of what you are doing. Although, there is no doubt that a longer rod has its merits for the fight and I have been told that you shouldn’t be jerking the rod tip downward (where it could hit the water) as a sideways pull or twitch will get way better movement from gliders and jerkbaits, I personally am going to learn to work the bait properly with a recently bought used 6’9’’ classic jerk and will probably try to learn my way back up to longer rods as I have heard of a lot of people losing fishes because of the shorter rods. |
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Location: New Lenox, Illinois | I have tried the longer rods for suicks and just cant do it. I like to rip my suicks down and hard and this just does not work with a longer rod. Still using a st.croix 6'9" avid on my jerk baits. |
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Location: South-Central PA | Brian,
My go to glider rod is a Lamiglas 8'6" XH. I work my rod at an angle or completely sideways. I really like the action of the Lami's to work gliders. I also like the fact that it takes less effort to move a lure the same amount compared to using a shorter rod- a longer rod does the work for you.
I will admit that in tight situations (two people fishing out of the front of the boat) you may have some difficulty with a longer rod compared to a shorter rod. My solution to that is to switch places with the other angler so that our position in the boat allows me to properly work the bait.
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Location: Oregon | Use a rod that feels comfortable. Some say you need a rod of particular length to get gliders to work but I haven't found this to be true. I can make a glider do anything I want with a 3 foot rod or a 9 foot rod. I'm tall so a longer rod feels natural to me but for many a rod in the 8 foot range would probably feel better. I also palm the reel which leaves me tired pretty quickly. I've noticed many using longer rods will cradle the rod and work it from the side without palming the reel which is probably much easier on your body over time.
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Location: Planet Meltdown | That's a good point about palming the reel, RiverMan. I also palm the reel and feel this is the most comfortable way for me. Cradling the rod does nothing but put too much torque on my wrist, especially working jerk baits or hard pulling baits like big bucktails. I'm sure if it didn't bother my wrists I could get away with using a longer rod. |
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| Click the photo below to play the video, at about the 1:11 mark the video goes to me working a Stinger glide bait with an 8'6" big dawg on flat ground. That long rod is the only way i would go from here on out, everyone is different but thats how i like it.
It also is not hard to work the bait pulling it side ways, i like it because thats the way i pull on hook sets.
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Location: Planet Meltdown | cool video man! |
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Location: Green Bay, Titletown, WI | With a 9' rod I mainly use my reel to work the bait. I still give sharp twitches to my rod, but basically reel super fast for 2-3 turns when working Suicks. Glide baits, i just work the rod to the side. |
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Location: WI | I like a 7'6" heavy fast an a NiCl. Best control in my opinion. Longer rods make short fast movements of the rod harder. I fish from a 18' alumacraft tourney pro and fell like that's the right length. Have a 7'9" st crouch xxxheavy for mag rubber and a 8'6" legend tourney sling blade for everything else.
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| I don`t really get the longer rods for Jerkbaits myself. I learned to pull strait down and that's the way I get the best side to side action on Reef Hawgs. If I pull to one side the bait only goes to one side. I can see them for rubber pull baits and even some diver style lures. Maybe other Jerkbaits are fine but I can only get the action I want on Hawgs with a pool cue 5'9" Gloomis old school jerkbait rod. I need to get the rod pointed directly down 90 degrees and snap it. If even a tiny bit of the rod hits the water the lure will not do what I want it to do. If somebody can get that action with a 9' rod props to them. I`m sticking with what has worked for me for 20 years. |
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| I use a 9'
dami0101 - 3/21/2014 6:25 AM
With longer rods you typically end up angling your pull to the side instead of straight down for the most part. Now if seen people use a 9' ft and not need to pull the the side, but they were guides so they've had a hell of a lot more practice then anyone I know. I spent 2 days working phantoms and hellhounds with a 9'3" rod last fall with a guide and I just never really felt like I got the hang of it but I'm sure others would have. |
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Location: Minnesota | For the most part I'll use a9 all day but there are times when a short rod works better |
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Location: Watersmeet, Michigan | RiverMan - 3/21/2014 9:31 AM
Use a rod that feels comfortable.
Jed
Best advice I've read. I learned to walk the dog on a 6.5' rod. Would a longer rod work better? Perhaps, but this is what works for me.
Fr. K
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| I am getting more comfortable using longer rods for all applications. It has improved my ability to manage and land bigger fish. I can work jerks and gliders to the side just as effectively as down. In fact when it comes to suicks I use my reel more than the rod to get the action I want. The original question was in re to "bigger" jerk and glide baits. I have an XH rod to maximize the action for those bigger baits. Since I use jerk and glide baits a lot a custom rod made some sense for me. My solution was to have an XH Predator rod built at 7' 10". This was determined by working with the rod builder and getting the exact size and action for my style. It was a good investment. |
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Location: Aurora | Slapping the water attracts & triggers big fish.
It also brings the jerking action to an abrupt halt which imparts better action at the end of the glide/jerk.
Sidejack<-- fishes from a pontoon
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | If you say so.
I like a 7.5' rod for Suicks, gliders, and Weagles. Use my wrist and the reel to make the lure dance. Sure, I can make the lure dance with a 9' rod, it's just alot more work.
And no, I don't slap the water with the rod. I would rather the footprint of the lure be the focus. |
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Location: Aurora | Oh, I never accused you of slapping the water, Steve but c'mon, we've all seen A River Runs Through It, right?
The scene where he's mimicking an insect hatch??
Weagle hatch???
You do the math. |
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Location: central Wisconsin | How can lures leave a footprint, they no have feet.
Seriously I use the St. Croix 7'9" Lipstick for my Suicks, Phantoms, undertakers, etc. |
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Location: oswego, il | I would rather use a longer rod even for glide baits. I have no issues with a glider on my 9'3" okuma rod. I work the rod across my body as opposed to vertical. It's less physical and the hookset is right there in your motion. Then there is the fish boatside, advantage longer rod.
The abolute only time I will even use an 8' rod is when I am using my 14ft boat and there is somebody in it with me. Then working crossways off the port side for me when in the front, the rod can be too close to the guy in the back. Other than that, no reason for me to use a shorter rod. |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | Sidejack - 3/22/2014 2:31 PM
Oh, I never accused you of slapping the water, Steve but c'mon, we've all seen A River Runs Through It, right?
The scene where he's mimicking an insect hatch??
Weagle hatch???
You do the math.
I don't slap the water. Lures definitely have feet, they are just slightly short on most lures, and are caller inches. |
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