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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | jano - 3/13/2014 1:27 PM
BenR - 3/12/2014 10:23 AM
jano - 3/12/2014 6:22 AM
PIKEMASTER - 3/11/2014 9:41 PM
With Carbontex drags let the reel do it for U. Why is Musky fishing the ONLY fish you don't use a reel drag ????????????
With XXH 9'6" rods and 100braid you need a drag !!!!!!
You will tear up a reel opening / pushing down the cast control button under presure.
now we need a carbontex drag to have the pleasure to enjoy the reel drag? 1 thing is sure a lot of guys still think musky are hard fighter
You don't need them, I have some reels with and some without and you can tell the difference for certain, but both work. I am slowly having them all switched out as I send them in for service. BR
benr i know it was sarcastic,i have never use that i have never feel the need to use them too.all my calcutta drag are fine like this
As Ben stated above U don't need Carbontex but when a reel needs servicing he switches them over. Just like auto engine oils, the factory fills your engine with Reg Oil and most will change it out for Synthetic Oil.
Funny guys make comments and have never used a product.
Most reels today come with Carbontex Drag systems, Shimano still uses a cheap fiber or hard plastic washer that are not very smooth and sticks. |
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Location: E. Tenn | If you don't want to use a drag...
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | miket55 - 3/13/2014 8:42 PM
If you don't want to use a drag...
The Direct Dive reel aka The Knuckle Buster. |
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Location: Aurora | Love me some vintage gear man. |
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Location: Chippewa Falls, WI | I'm not an expert by any stretch but I would consider a few guys on here to be one. I do what Mike does...LOCKED down! I don't want any drag slip when I'm setting the hooks under any circumstances. I have never had a problem getting to free spool but if I did, I would simply loosen the drag during the fight. I watched my brother lose a 4'er when he set the hooks, the rod loaded and then went straight as the drag slipped. He fishes with his locked down now too. We've caught enough fish boatside with the drag locked down by either free spooling or just letting the long rod be the drag...
just my .02 |
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Location: E. Tenn | adubs - 3/14/2014 1:38 PM
I do what Mike does...LOCKED down!
I don't use that 5000D, I picked it up "real" cheap, and put it with some other "vintage" stuff I have. |
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Location: WI | I think he meant mike hulbert. The guide and writer for muskyhunter. |
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Location: WI | MikeHulbert - 3/12/2014 9:27 AM
I like to keep them LOCKED down as tight as I can get them. If I need to let a fish run a few feet, I roll the spool back with my thumb and hit free spool and apply drag pressure with my thumb. This is done subconsciously and sometimes done 3-6 times per fight depending on the fish and power of the fish. All the reels in my boat are completely locked down. |
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| Last time I took a drag, I was in lock-down. |
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Location: South Central Wisconsin | adubs - 3/14/2014 12:38 PM
I'm not an expert by any stretch but I would consider a few guys on here to be one. I do what Mike does...LOCKED down! I don't want any drag slip when I'm setting the hooks under any circumstances. I have never had a problem getting to free spool but if I did, I would simply loosen the drag during the fight. I watched my brother lose a 4'er when he set the hooks, the rod loaded and then went straight as the drag slipped. He fishes with his locked down now too. We've caught enough fish boatside with the drag locked down by either free spooling or just letting the long rod be the drag...
just my .02 Yep... |
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Location: South Central Wisconsin | Strawberry - 3/14/2014 10:23 PM
Last time I took a drag, I was in lock-down. LMBO! I caught that!  |
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| You have to be careful doing what the expert does. Why? There are ten other experts that do it ten different ways. I totally agree with Dog Lake. Weather trolling or casting the drag should pay out when the rod is fully loaded. Secondly hook size has a lot to do with it. If the action or you rod is too heavy or light for your hooks you will either not drive them or straiten them. Throw a Rizzo wiz on your double 10 rod lock the drag down and set the hook boatside and see what happens? The rod should load to max and line should pay out then. That is the correct way. Can you do it another way sure, but the equipment was designed to work exactly as Dog Lake said. |
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| Also sharp hooks and a proper snapping technique on the hookset prevent the need for total lockdown IMHO. |
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Location: Aurora | It's all about the he said, she said.
I think Fred Durst or our fearless leader Steve W. should weigh in next.
One thing's fer sure, there's learning afoot here.
For instance, i'm learning that my old timey gear might function more smoothly if I upgrade my drag material.
Who knew? Our resident pimp Pikemaster, that's who.
~note to self "order more parts from Richard"~
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| I agree with the people on here who say that you should have it set to where it pays out after the rod loads appropriately. It just makes sense to me and that is how the equipment is designed; it all works together to to help land the fish.
Also, agree that sharp hooks are a necessity to still get the proper hookset. |
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Location: WI | If your throwing big rubber and you don't have it locked down you will lose half the fish you encounter. They bite the rubber and it's up to you to rip the bait out and get the hooks in. Trust me. Lost a few monsters that way. Still makes me sick. |
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| Yes but the XXXXXheavy rod you use for rubber will not load easily so you can leave it locked and not break the rod. You don`t want to do that with every style bait for sure. You don`t want to lock it down trolling. That I`m sure of. |
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| muskyrat - 3/15/2014 3:39 PM
Yes but the XXXXXheavy rod you use for rubber will not load easily so you can leave it locked and not break the rod. You don`t want to do that with every style bait for sure. You don`t want to lock it down trolling. That I`m sure of.
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | Masqui-ninja - 3/12/2014 10:22 AM
Someone needs to invent a reel that somehow would be lock-down drag at the end of the cast and lightens up as the lure approaches the boat :) XXXXXXX Someone has invented a reel just like that. One of my all time favorite Reels the Abu-Garcia AMBASSADEUR 5500c SYNCRO Does just that. Trouble was it didn't cast for shimit I have 4 of them. syncro drag to control hard fighting fish simply move the handle backward 1/4 turn to reduce drag by 75% Automatically Move the handle fully forward to return to preset drag to stop the run. this was back an the 80's I have caught several big hard fighting fish with this reel , caught a 54" 40LB musky on it and a 51"er here on the cave with it and had no trouble at all. now i'm going to make jigging reels out of them as you don't have to cast much to jig fish. be nice if Garcia came out with a new one with ball bearings Good fishing to you Marv. |
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| Locked down and adjust after the hookset. With fish in the 8 I bend my knees once they're hooked, push the thumb bar down, use my thumb as the drag, then engage/disengage the thumb bar as needed. |
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| I don't troll often. Most years only 4 or 5 days and then it is in the late fall. When trolling I always use very large lures like Plows or 13" Grandma's, so most of the lures have 7/0 hooks. When trolling I use 8 1/2' and 10' Ugly Sticks that are very limber. braided super line and I set the drag loose. I can't recall the last time I lost a fish that I hooked while trolling.
Can't say that for casting though. I think I probably lose 20% or 25% of the fish I hook while casting. Like most I use heavy 9' rods with the drags locked down pretty tight, probably too tight when casting. I will say that I don't often throw big rubber though. Just not my favorite thing.
Makes me wonder if I should back off the drags on my casting reels a bit. BTW, all my casting reels are TE's with the Carbontex drag washers so they have high quality drag systems. |
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| yes a lot more,near the max you can |
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| I locked it down last year at Wabigoon, since you can't see but 6" in that water I figured boatside action was a low probability and I'd have plenty of line and rod to work with on a bite. But, "the one that got away" was boatside, and surprised me. I was pulling the lure out, saw the jaws and tucked it back in. She hit, thrashed and soaked me, and 2 seconds later left me with a bent hook on my Rapala on the end of my 9' rod.
I still analyze the what-ifs in my head, but can say for certain I'll be loosening up the drag a bit this year. I can always thumb down for a 2nd hookset or increase it during the fight if need be. And there's been plenty of trips where I've forgotten to set the drag on the first day and managed to figure it out during the fight.
So yes, in my $250 reels I'm gonna use the drag.
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