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| What will be the next Melton Hill or North west tiger fishery. My vote is Lake Champlain. Any place else newly stocked or having fish reintroduced? |
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| Lake Michigan , mid-lake suspended fish. |
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| Champlain would have been great had they stocked great lakes strain since they were originally native there, but they're using Chautauqua fish so I am not expecting much but who knows. |
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| Well with the deeper cooler water they may get bigger. I would agree St. Lawrence strain would be better. Also not sure they are putting enough fish in there. Still new water is new water! |
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| Champlain would definitely be a cool place to fish for them, it'll be interesting to see how the fishery develops now that stocking has increased. |
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| I plan on giving it a try on my way to the St. Lawrence this fall. I have skunked out in seven states and two provinces. What`s one more? |
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| muskyrat - 2/4/2014 6:31 PM
I plan on giving it a try on my way to the St. Lawrence this fall. I have skunked out in seven states and two provinces. What`s one more?
If we couldn't deal with getting skunked once in a while (or more in my case), we'd just fish for crappies. |
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Location: oswego, il | You watch, the tiger cat flowage. Mark my words, by years end ALL of the traveling guides will be fishing it. Good luck finding a guide on lsc or Minnesota! |
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | Michigan has now stocked many of the lakes connecting with Lake Michigan with the Spotted Musky. White Lake, Muskegon Lake, Mona Lake, Lake Macatawa and more. We are on a roll here in Michigan and couple that with our new one fish per year tag Michigan is going to rise in the destination category when it comes to Muskies. W e also have current modern day World record. Im going pick Lake Macatawa in 10 years to be producing huge girthed 50 inch fish. Mike |
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| Hey Kingfisher no doubt Michigan is the best bro. Lake St. Clair plus mega slobs on those lakes you spoke of. Had a great time my first time out there in 2112. Don`t you guy`s have some kind of recent world record? |
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| Oops should have read your post better. That fish was big! |
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| in less than 10 years or something like this i think champlain lake have everything,big water,not extremely pollute and a lot of different thing to eat.i just hope they put the right strain.maybe st-john river nb,this river have already produce a 50 x 28 so i have high hope
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| Ronix - 2/4/2014 5:37 PM
Champlain would have been great had they stocked great lakes strain since they were originally native there, but they're using Chautauqua fish so I am not expecting much but who knows.
lol nothing wrong with this strain,most of the ottawa,st-lawrence river giant is this strain,so it could be really good |
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| jano - 2/6/2014 9:49 PM
Ronix - 2/4/2014 5:37 PM
Champlain would have been great had they stocked great lakes strain since they were originally native there, but they're using Chautauqua fish so I am not expecting much but who knows.
lol nothing wrong with this strain,most of the ottawa,st-lawrence river giant is this strain,so it could be really good
False, not the same strain.
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| I'm not going to claim to be an expert on Eastern fisheries but I do find genetics fascinating and my casual observation is that Chautauqua fish generally appear to be barred fish while St. Lawrence river fish generally have a very heavy spotted pattern. My guess would be not the same strain. Looks similar to the difference between MN & WI strain fish. They can take on very different looks depending on the body of water but they usually retain their bars or spots in one way or another.
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| musky-skunk - 2/7/2014 10:33 AM
I'm not going to claim to be an expert on Eastern fisheries but I do find genetics fascinating and my casual observation is that Chautauqua fish generally appear to be barred fish while St. Lawrence river fish generally have a very heavy spotted pattern. My guess would be not the same strain. Looks similar to the difference between MN & WI strain fish. They can take on very different looks depending on the body of water but they usually retain their bars or spots in one way or another.
Yessir, Chautauqua fish are ohio river strain, St. Lawrence and Ottawa rivers (including connecting tribs) are great lakes strain. |
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Location: oconomowoc, wi | ToddM - 2/5/2014 12:26 PM
You watch, the tiger cat flowage. Mark my words, by years end ALL of the traveling guides will be fishing it. Good luck finding a guide on lsc or Minnesota!
Huh??? |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | ToddM - I think its going to be that shallow basin in Illinois - shhh! You know the lake I'm talking about, e.g. "The one who's name we never speak!".
Realistically, I'm prefishing all the potential great one's! LOL I'd be selling burgers & beers at the launches and invasive species cleaning services!
Have fun!
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| I know this is not what your asking but one body of water I would give anything to see them stock with muskies is Lake Erie specifically the western basin. Erie is the most fertile large body of water in the world and is absolutely loaded with shad, shinners, perch and walleye. Also the relatively shallow water would make for very catch able fish compared to the east end or Lake Ontario where the super deep clear water makes fishing very tough and numbers super low. However having said that there is no way OH DNR would ever do anything to limit the walleye numbers no to mention stocking suck a huge area would be super expensive. |
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Location: Northwest WI | Spencer,
I lived in the Detroit Metro area for 8 years (1990 to 1998) and regularly fished LSC, the Detroit River and Lake Erie's western basin for bass, perch and walleyes. I didn't fish muskies at that time.
I hadn't thought about this prior to your post, but because LSC drains into the Detroit River, which then drains into Lake Erie's Western Basin, is it reasonable to think there's a population of muskies already living in Lake Erie?
Subsequent to living in Detroit I lived in Northern IL and now mid central Wisconsin, and it's not uncommon for stocked muskies, (stocked into impounded waters) to migrate downstream to create musky fisheries in waters where they were not intentionally stocked.
This may not be so, but it may be that some of those big LSC and Detroit River fish found their way into Lake Erie's western basin. If so, there's a tremendous carp, perch and walleye population for them to gorge on, and grow fat. If they're there, there's the potential for big fish.
Keith Whyte
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Location: Eastern Ontario | There's muskies in lake Erie but it's a big puddle to search. They have been catching big fish in the Buffalo area and upper Niagara for many moons. |
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| Maybe someone with more knowledge of genetics could comment but I have been told That all muskies are genetically the same except the Shoepac type fish. I was commenting to Marc Thorpe way back in the day that all the little tributaries have different strains of muskies. One river system had light green spotted fish that got big one had small shoepac type fish and yet another had dark backed fish that looked similar to the shoepac fish but they got big. The fish on the Ottawa looked nothing like any of the fish we got on the St. Lawrence to me. His comment was there are no strains. Just the small shoepack type fish and the bigger fish we catch everywhere. Maybe places like WI have some mixed genetics due to poor management practices. Other than that they are the same with color variations as ultimate size is based on the fishery not genetics. I recently took some guy out who had just got back from a trip with Larry Jones. Larry told him all the muskies are the same and most fish are actually Chatauqua strain fish. Now these guy`s are guides not scientists but it seams interesting they both agree the fish are all the same. |
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| There are two main strains...a river strain and a lake strain. Everything splits off from there. As for Erie, who knows what was out there 200 years ago but some Ohio walleye charter guys told me they catch quite a few small ones out by the bass islands on cranks and harnesses. To me the western basin is perfect. Lots of food and same temp as St. Clair just 20 ft deeper. Don't think I'll be casting it anytime soon. |
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| There is no doubt they are in there however the numbers are way to low to much it worth your time to fish. Must walleye guys I know get 1-2 a year. What I was talking about is actively stocking it enough to get a density worth going after. The environment is right to grow complete Giants! |
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| Muskyrat, Shoepacs are uniquely different in the sizes they can attain but there are definitely more then 2 strains. For example in MN you have the Leach Lake strain and I believe the Mississippi River fish are a different strain but I could be wrong on that. However there is another genetic cluster of fish in MN that are natural in the Moose/Deer lakes area. The fisheries are actually trying to keep them separate from Leach Lakers though they had some contamination from shoepacs at one point. Then across the boarder into Wisconsin as well as stocked lakes in my home state of Iowa you have Wisconsin strain fish. Generally they are similar but the Leach Lake and Wisconsin fish do display some mild personality differences and overall size potential differences. Just an example.
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| Here's an in-depth read for those interested in Great Lakes Muskie genetics:
http://www.tandfonline.com/eprint/pgySBvi4rXheMBKP3tJG/full#.Uvlgmb...
Dr. Kapuscinski, Dr. Sloss, and Dr. Farrell have been collecting data on this from anglers all over the great lakes (some of you may have been helping to provide the genetic samples for them) for some time now.
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