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Location: Lake St Clair | I was fishing a channel outlet yesterday when i got a big bite, blades stopped moving so i set the hook. It was a giant, id say 50". When i set the hook she put it in reverse and shook her head, then took off.
I was using a brand new double cowgirl so i know the hooks were sharp
Revo Nacl 60 reel with the drag at 90% probably
TI 9' XH rod
100lb power pro with a Stealth Tackle 135# flouro leader
This is probably the 3rd fish ive lost like this recently, all on bucktails.
What could i be doing wrong?
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Man the hooks aren't sharp until you sharpen them personally. Stock hooks are blunt ends without a good file.
Edited by Kirby Budrow 8/31/2013 9:46 AM
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| Baits don't come out of the package sharp. Could just b bad luck tho keep at it they'll stick eventually. I hit the tips of my hooks everytime I switch baits even if I no they're sharp it's just piece of mind but they definatly aren't good to go just cause its a new bait. |
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Location: N.FIB | maybe try the drag at 100% locked down,I`m sure you sharpened the hooks after you took lure out of package right,that's what you mean by I know the hooks were sharp. |
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Location: Thief River Falls MN | Too much drag maybe... Braid and bass fisherman style hookset open up big holes sometimes. When they take off like that they pull off sometimes.... |
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Location: Lake St Clair | Before i put the lure on yesterday i did the fingernail trick and it stuck in my nail.
Ill pick up a file today anyways and file away.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | Compare your hooks to someone else who has experience sharpening hooks. You will see the difference. I've lost many big fish with sharp hooks too, but at least when your hooks are sharp you know you didn't lose it because of dull hooks. |
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| what about your stick!! does it have plenty of back bone. |
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| I think this video will help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMY1rTrQSHc
Edited by Muskyfreak44 8/31/2013 10:58 AM
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Location: MN | If it was a brand new DC and you never touched the hooks that may be part of your problem. The Mustad 3551 is a good hook, sharpens easily and gets sharp - but are terrible out of the package. However, many good sticks have lost big fish with sharp hooks. When they get to shakin their head that's when bad stuff happens. Especially if she got her head out of the water and had some leverage. It happens. I lost two decent fish last weekend, an upper forties and a 50 +. One on a DC one on a topwater, both got to shaking and I didn't have the proper leverage to keep em from doing so. And my hooks are sharp. |
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Location: Lake St Clair | I bought a sharpener, gotta go thru all my baits now. I compared my new DCG with one i sharpened already and man there is a big difference.
I guess being somewhat new this is a lesson learned. |
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| I had the chance to assemble hundreds of musky baits years ago and stock hooks are lol...but I doubt you did anything wrong. I sort of admire how I read about a lot of musky fisherman trying to "perfect" their technique, but...try try again. |
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| Sharpening your hooks is something that will always stick in the back of my mind as I change a bait. I'd always catch my dad sharpening the hooks before I'd head out somewhere....and back in the day when I was too young to change my own bait, he always sharpened every hook first...followed by an "OW, you're ready". Key! |
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| I have never put too much stock in having super sharp hooks.........although the very first thing I do every time I lose a fish is sharpen the hooks. I think sometimes things just happen. Its heartbreaking when it is on a big fish. Also sometimes on bucktails the fish nip from the back, when they do that it is not always easy to keep them pinned up. |
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Location: Cave Run Lake KY. | Take a look at the video That muskyfreck has on his post. I'm heading for the basement and my Dremel to sharpen some hooks. I'V used a Dremel for years and just found out the right way to do it. Also to heavy of a drag can cause you to lose a fish . In the day of CPR your told to get the fish in the boat fast, this puts heavy presser on the fish and your tackle and bad things can happen. Less fish are lost trolling then casting for this very reason, When trolling the drags are set light to keep you from loosing tackle and by the time you have the rod out of the rod holder the fish is already fighting the bait then you set the hook and there's lot of line out giving you a lighter hook set. Im not saying you don't need a good hook set you do, you just have to give a " BIG FISH" some line to take some of fight out of him at boat side. I keep my drags set down as hard as you can get them when casting and then lighten them up to let the fish get some line out. Abu Garcia used to make a reel called the SYNCRO that had a drag that you could preset that when you moved the handle backward a1/4 turn reduced the drag force by up to 75% then move the handle forward to the preset drag. Garcia doesn't make this reel any more as it was not a good caster at all. I caught two of my best fish using a SYNCRO casting and had no problem landing the fish a 54" and a 52", do I use a SYNCRO NOW NO, NOWAY , If they ever make one with six or seven ball bearings I might buy one. like I said they were bad casters. Just some info for you to think about as I have lost some very big fish at boat side and also in the net but they still got away. One fish I lost I was fishing by my self on July 5th. and after that I didn't fish the rest of the year and had a hard time going musky fishing the next spring ,butt I did and I got over it. Good fishing to you Marv. |
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| Have to disagree.....Have been hardcore trolling for over ten years now and have never lost a fish.... always a tight drag...sharp hooks...no giants lost.... |
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Location: Almond, WI | If she hit coming straight at you, you were probably screwed from the beginning. If they hit like that it's hard to hook through the beak (no matter how sharp the hooks or tight the drag) and they get slack immediately. I keep my hooks sharp and drag at 90%. |
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| I like TI, but I would for sure switch that rod out for something stiffer if you want to hook and hold more fish. |
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| Slow Rollin - 8/31/2013 8:32 PM
I like TI, but I would for sure switch that rod out for something stiffer if you want to hook and hold more fish.
I highly doubt the rod had anything to do with it. |
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Location: Lake St Clair | tyler k - 8/31/2013 8:25 PM
If she hit coming straight at you, you were probably screwed from the beginning. If they hit like that it's hard to hook through the beak (no matter how sharp the hooks or tight the drag) and they get slack immediately. I keep my hooks sharp and drag at 90%.
I'm thinking this is the case also. |
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Location: Ames, Iowa | Things like that happen- and they happen in twos and threes sometimes. These fish need the hooks driven into their bony mouths. Like stated earlier- they can shake off easily too. |
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| mastical,you got every kind of advice that's available,do what you know the best for you.KEEP fishing and you"ll hook up. |
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Location: Elk River, Minnesota | Hiya,
Lots of variables here and the only ones you are in control of are your equipment and your technique. Now..given the variables you are not in control of, the fish hitting from behind as stated, I believe would be what occurred to you. That is, in my opinion the toughest hit to try and get hooks into flesh because the hook set is working into the jaw rather than into softer flesh on a fish that is moving in the same direction as the bait. Your hooks can be razor sharp but any hooks in that portion of the mouth are very hard to get a barb in somewhere that will stick.... The ones that really drive me nuts are the fish that decide just to nip at the bait when they come from the rear. Seems there are times that is how all the fish hit...
The unfortunate part is....that is part of the game.
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Location: Chisholm, MN | VMS - 8/31/2013 9:34 PM
Hiya,
Lots of variables here and the only ones you are in control of are your equipment and your technique. Now..given the variables you are not in control of, the fish hitting from behind as stated, I believe would be what occurred to you. That is, in my opinion the toughest hit to try and get hooks into flesh because the hook set is working into the jaw rather than into softer flesh on a fish that is moving in the same direction as the bait. Your hooks can be razor sharp but any hooks in that portion of the mouth are very hard to get a barb in somewhere that will stick.... The ones that really drive me nuts are the fish that decide just to nip at the bait when they come from the rear. Seems there are times that is how all the fish hit...
The unfortunate part is....that is part of the game.
Steve
Yup, happened to me countless times this year. I think if you have a high speed reel with a long xh action rod, you can catch some of these fish by picking up the slack as fast as possible. Definitely not going to catch them all though...
Edited by Kirby Budrow 8/31/2013 10:55 PM
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Location: Minnesota. | Matt,
A few yrs ago on the big V with my son, brand new Mepps Muskie Killer with STICKY SHARP hooks and me perfectly set to lean into the strike enough to have a pretty tight drag slip, I set up on a large fish. Good, solid set-up..!!
She came half out of the water, shook like a dog and my bait went flying. Said to my son "What the hey do we keep doing this for??????"....frustrated to all get out.
It happens. Another time, weak set and was lucky to land a 46! It's what brings us back.... |
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| Buckle down the drag and try to muscle f*** her to the boat and pray the net man is there waiting. Of your by yourself keep doing what your doing but SHARPIN THOSE HOOKS!!!! |
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| Sometimes it just happens. You can analyze the heck out of it and you will. This hobby is absolutely torturous. Even razor sharp trebles come out of a fish's mouth.
I lost a Goliath tonight that was thick and over 52" - I would bet my boat on it. That's two biggies in a row this summer lost.
In hindsight you always wish you had done something different. Sme days I wonder why I do it but on an hour into the drive home I start dreaming of he next trip.
Welcome to the sickness.
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| Every guy who has caught a giant--has lost his share as well....
Its happens to the very best of the best---don't beat yourself up...
I guess like the others have said---sharp hooks are the most important part of your tackle---don't know 1 serious Musky guy who is not religious about hook sharpening..
Second a good penetrating hook set-----sometimes even with the sharpest hooks and good hook set they still come off..
That's why when one does catch a giant it is so rewarding!! |
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Location: Lake St Clair | Thanks all |
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