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Location: Oregon, WI | I'm having a problem with my 998 and need to determine if it's the head unit or transducer. So if anybody is going to be on the water and is running 1100, 900 or 800 series SI units and would be willing to allow me to connect my head unit to your transducer or would be willing to connect your head unit to my setup if I'm on the water, reply to this so we can setup a time to meet.
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | You don't really describe the issue. I'll state the obvious: Maybe, try calling Humminbird?
Have fun!
Al
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Location: Oregon, WI | Did call hbird. Transducer may have died. Only way to be sure is try head unit with another transducer or pull ducer and send head and ducer back to hbird. Rather not do that if possible.
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| Hi V18 Ive had a bunch of issues with my birds. I have an 1197 side/down image and a 858 on the bow. you didnt say but i would imagine the unit is not new, i would recomend updating if it was. when you turn it on does it go right into the simulater mode and say transducer is not connected? are you running a "Y" cable for the side/down image? if you are unplug your Y and just plug in the side if it works fine you may have burned it out, or the other way just plug in your conventional sonar. When you turn it on can you hear the tick-tick-tick at all? if that does not work reset your defaults sometimes i have to do that after everytime i have unplugged the unit for a while, then it works great. PM me if reseting the defaults does not work |
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Location: Oregon, WI | The firmware may not be up to date since I see there was a new update 5/10/2013. Was up to date prior to the beginning of season though.
None of the imaging, side or down, and sonar are working. The sonar can't seem to find bottom. It's acting as if the sensitivity is turned all the way down. It locks onto the bottom for a second, after about 3 seconds, the depth reading starts blinking, then it finds it again for a second. Display doesn't show anything usable though. This repeats every 5 seconds or so. 998 is new this year and had been working fine up until thursday when I was on the water. Tried powering down several times to no avail. Don't know for sure since it came setup with the boat, but I believe it's only using the one transducer. The 788 on the bow is using the universal transducer on the trolling motor and is working. Did not try reseting to defaults. Would have to get back on the water to see if that would clear things up. |
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | V18 - 6/22/2013 2:53 PM
The firmware may not be up to date since I see there was a new update 5/10/2013. Was up to date prior to the beginning of season though.
None of the imaging, side or down, and sonar are working. The sonar can't seem to find bottom. It's acting as if the sensitivity is turned all the way down. It locks onto the bottom for a second, after about 3 seconds, the depth reading starts blinking, then it finds it again for a second. Display doesn't show anything usable though. This repeats every 5 seconds or so. 998 is new this year and had been working fine up until thursday when I was on the water. Tried powering down several times to no avail. Don't know for sure since it came setup with the boat, but I believe it's only using the one transducer. The 788 on the bow is using the universal transducer on the trolling motor and is working. Did not try reseting to defaults. Would have to get back on the water to see if that would clear things up.
I am having the same issue with my 998c HD SI. I also lost temp prior to what you described above happening. I hooked my 998 up to the trolling motor transducer and temp worked so I told Humminbird that. I now have a new transducer on its way. Hopefully the new transducer fixes the problem of the sonar not working. My SI went out first, so I reset to default settings. Upon doing that I got the "transducer not connected" message upon powering up. Now I have lost both my standard sonar and my SI. I believe I should have the new transducer this week, and will be out this weekend. I can let you know if the new transducer fixed the problems. |
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Location: Oregon, WI | Thanks Travis for the insight. After further investigation, I found that I have a "Y" cable connecting a dual beam thru hull transducer and the side/down imaging transducer. I wasn't aware of this and only found out after calling boat dealer. I also forgot that a friend of mine has a 798 and he is willing to loan me to swap in and see if it is working. If it doesn't, then I need to disconnect "Y" cable and connect transducers individually to control head to see if they are working. After locating the cable and all, this is going to be a royal pain in the, well you know what as it is buried under the console.
Travis let me know if that fixes your problems.
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| V18 I have also heard of the "Y" cable going bad. so if you unplug it and your sonars are still good maybe that is the issue and its a cheap fix |
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Location: Oregon, WI | Hope its the cable so I don't have to pull transducer. Not sure why a cable would be be bad in such a short period of time. I suppose it could be any number of things. Cable could be defected or a problem with the installation. For instance, a cable tie was too tight and vibration cause a internal wire to break, it's rubbing on something sharp, it is pinched somewhere or a sharp bend/kink causing internal damage to cable. Should be a cheap fix in any event as it should be under warranty. Boat was bought in Feb. If dealer wasn't 3 hours away I would have them do the troubleshooting.
Got my friends control head last night so will start the process of elimination tonight.
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Location: Oregon, WI | Tried a 798 with my transducers off the water and can hear the pinging of the transducers. I cannot hear any pinging with my 998. Of course in talking with Humminbird support, they say this isn't a valid test as you don't always hear the pinging. In my opinion, no pinging no sonar. Why would you be able to hear it with one unit and on another, which incidentally isn't working, you can't? |
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Location: Rhinelander, Wisconsin | The only valid test is on the water. |
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Location: Oregon, WI | Tried unit on another boat. Out of water and with his unit, could hear the ping. Could not hear it with mine. Just to make sure, put other boat in water. Unit was sent back to hbird today. Timing sucks because I was finally going to have some time in the next week to get out. Guess I'm going to have to fly blind. |
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Location: Clintonville, Wi | I just had the same issue on my 858c. I was running this unit with us2 and it all if a sudden wouldn't find bottom. Thought it was transducer so I tried original transducer I got with the unit to verify. To my suprise, it still wouldn't find bottom. Long story short, I sent back to Humminbird and they replaced unit because water had leaked into unit. |
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Location: Mauston, Wisconsin | Stuff happen's, its the nature of the game. Here's something most folks never even think about - Lightning. Some of you know me, I'm kinda weird, I'm electrical/electronics engineer. lol. Lightning, and lightning protection is one of my engineering passions.
I lost my engine control module, alternator rectifier assembly, etc to lightning. The boat was parked right in front of my garage door (my side of the garage). I was on a business trip, came home & was prepping to go fishing, put the ears on and tried starting the motor (its part of my routine). NOTHING going, did all the usual checks, fuel spark, no spark. Next stop my local marina, ~$785 a few days later I was on the water. Then I recall my wife telling me on one of our phone calls that "we" were having a big thunderstorm one night and lightning had struck very close to the house - scared her and the cat.....
I always disconnect my electronics and TM when I park the boat at the house or even when at the dock if I know there are thunderstorms likely. I hadn't thought about the engine control electronics, that's a mistake I won't make again - installed additional TVSS (transient voltage surge suppression) on my boat's electrical system.
So, how did the damage occur? Well lightning not only has a huge electrical current that you can see- the strike (actually multiple strikes), but also a huge magnetic field's that you can't see. The magnetic field rise and collapse generated a large electrical voltage in the boat's electrical wiring via magnetic induction. That's what damaged my boat's electronics. Fortunately, my Humminbird 997SI was in the garage.
Lightning can also be like electrical rust - it doesn't always create immediate visible damage, but it stresses the electronics, e.g., capacitors and semiconductor components. It happens and there's very little you can do - yeah its a pain unhooking stuff. It's much more painful digging into your wallet or not being able to fish.
LOL- realistically you shouldn't need a sonar to find fish, but they sure are fun!
Have fun!
Al
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Location: Oconto Falls, WI | An update as I got the new transducer and got it installed and tested this past weekend. Everything works fine now. Temp is reading again, and both the standard sonar and SI sonar is working.
One thing to note if you replace the transducer. Reset to the default settings. At first I didn't think it was working, but after resetting to the default setting everything worked fine. |
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