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Location: Ludington, MI | I tie a Palomar knot, and I've seen lots of different knots over the years. Has anyone ever seen something that measures the shock resistance of a knot vs. simple pull strength?
Just curious as I get rigged up for pounder fishing this year if there's a better knot to combat the dreaded $25 backlash and gunshot sound. |
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Location: NorthCentral WI | I haven't heard much about it but saw the new Sipderwire Zilla braid on the shelves. Shock strength is one of thier main features of the line. It's supposed to stretch 2-3X as much as the braid we're all used to. If I remember right it was much larger diameter than normal braid too. Might be worth a try. |
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Location: Maine Township, MN | Probably looking for one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensile_testing |
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Location: Ludington, MI | Yeah, not so much looking to make a machine, just trying to find the best knot. The Palomar is great, but I want to know if there's one that's better, especially for preventing breakoffs during backlashes with pounders. |
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| I' not sure how much better it may be than the palomar for shock-resistance but I would try the "Bucher Power Knot". I've always looked at this knot as sort of an improved version of the palomar.
http://muskie.outdoorsfirst.com/board/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=54... |
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Location: Kingston, Ontario | The only way a knot can resist a "shock" is to be stronger, or slip. The "shock" is just a high load imparted in a short time...so the strongest knots as % of line strength is one indicator, or if they can slip somehow but slipping means it will eventually pull out and just fail in a different way.
Now, if the line can stretch that would help obviously, and the zilla braid as mentioned has more stretch than normal braid.
Don't think it really matters what knot if you exert a force too high for the knot strength, it will break. |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I think if you are able to retrieve any of those shocked breaks you will find it wasn't the knot that gave but the line itself on the backlash caused break-off. At least the baits I have been able to retrieve it has never been the knots. |
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| If you are tying a Palomar correctly its "not your knot"  Always throw at least 100lb braid with Pounders. |
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Location: Maine Township, MN | jakejusa - 4/19/2013 3:01 PM
I think if you are able to retrieve any of those shocked breaks you will find it wasn't the knot that gave but the line itself on the backlash caused break-off. At least the baits I have been able to retrieve it has never been the knots.
Was it frayed before the knot? I would assume the rod tip eye has to cause some wear in a small area from repeated casting. Re-tie often! |
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| When using braid and tied right, the palomar knot is rated at 100% of line strength. Can't get much stronger than that. Only time I have lost a bait was when the line parted further up due to fraying. |
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| this may not apply to knot shock, but this guy's experiment is good enough for me, personally, to put the braid knot question to sleep and move on:
doubled five turn uni
http://surfishmexico.pbworks.com/w/page/19215741/The%20Doubled%20Fi... |
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Location: Ludington, MI | Thanks all. Have not ever lost a pounder to a backlash, but always worried about it because of friends' stories. |
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| Check this out. The Rebeck beat the palomar! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spONrk96yW8 |
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Location: Kodiak, AK | I use a Bimini twist whenever I can. I use it to attach my leader to my line. It's 100%+ breaking strength. |
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| I've never seen the palomar fail either. Always the line due to fraying from rocks or whatever. |
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Location: Minnesota: where it's tough to be a sportsfan! | I've seen up 65 lb braid break from a foot above the bait all the way to inside the reel itself. I switched up to 80 & 100 and since that move the clients are not throwing my baits into the abyss anymore. I can't comment about the frays as I don't remember for sure. I made sure everything was in order before they got the rod for the day...but what they can do to a set up is sometimes pretty amazing. |
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