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| One more thing that is great about the magnum is you can clamp a down east to the side of it. Just one of many other reasons an exact replica on a larger scale would be awesome! |
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Location: With my son on the water | But lets look at this from a consumer stand point.
1. First fishing is a hobby therefore for most guys there is a budget involved. (It's tough to drop $30K plus on a hobby, most wives will not go along with this){Sure some guys can but that is a limited number}
2. With cost of materials (labor & benetfits) manufactures have there hands full trying to maintain costs. I worked in manufacturing most of my life and cost is always an issue. (Workers always expect a pay raise, health insurance is going up, but consumers expect finished goods to cost less) Throw in a struggling economy and it is even tougher. Any materials related to Oil have gone up 150% in a very short time, which is many of the materials in boats. (Look at what bag of lawn fertilizer cost this year compared to last)
My point is, I wish we would focus more on improving the layouts and features of our mid size boats but we always focus on bigger. Don't get me wrong bigger is great but it also comes with some cons (Initial cost, insurance, gas mileage of the boat, storage, ability to pull the thing, ability to sell it when that time comes) Take a look around when you fish and take note of how many people are in boats? Most of the time it is 2, and a lesser amount of time it is 1 or 3 so do we really need 20 foot boats and will we be able to manufacture them at a price point that anyone can afford? I have run 16 footers all my life and we have fished LOTW for many weeks with three guys. Was it great? NO, did we manage? YES (Would I recommend it?) NO. But I don't know that a bigger boat would have improved things much? (Three muskie lures flying at once is a challenge)
We also need to understand that for most of us every boat we buy we will eventually want to sell, therefore we need to think of being able to sell a boat when we buy a boat.
I have fished out of the current Esox Mag about 50+ times, every time with three guys and it is a fantastic boat just the way it is and it is very affordable. (Always for a weekend so it wan't bad) (Would I like to do that for a full week?????) It is probably the perfect muskie boat. I have never fished big water with it but people tell me they do. But I live between Green Bay and Lake Winnebago, it is probably a physcological thing but the only boat you see on those waters is a deep vee with most of them being 16 footers. This is the reason I have never bought an Esox Mag because it would be tough to sell in my area. I am sure this applys to others and areas too? So this is probably one of the reasons people prefer a vee over the Esox Mag and maybe even the X-190?
That X-190 is a darn nice rig but a bit out of my price range as it is over $40K to bad for me but see my point? To me the perfect hull and the largest most people ever need to go is the 1760 (nice length and width) , I hope to own one soon. But it would be nice to see a combination of the (Esox Mag and X-190) features incorperated into that hull, it is close already. (9 ft rod storage, double tanks, tons of storeage, etc)
I know many times we wish and voice our dreams on here so I am not trying to cause a debate, but I think we realistically need to understand what we ask manufactures to give us in the future because of the limitations.
And we also need summer fast!
Have a great day as it is again below freezing......... |
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Location: Not far enough north! | bshep - 4/13/2013 7:49 PM
One more thing that is great about the magnum is you can clamp a down east to the side of it. Just one of many other reasons an exact replica on a larger scale would be awesome!
I clamp down easters to my 1760 GT all the time!
I have fished out of tiller boats my entire life. I have owned three myself. My last boat was an esox mag tiller and current boat is a 1760 GT. Both are fantastic boats and have their advantages. The interior on the magnum is better for fishing three plainly because of the side tanks. However rough water comfort in the magnum is not good. It will handle some chop but working into waves bigger than a foot you get some major hull slap as the front comes down. I filled my magnum up on LOTW one time trying to get out of a cove in some 2-3 footers. Couldnt get the nose up high enough. The 1760 lets me get out in stuff the magnum would not that is the reason I have it. It is plenty stable and surprisinly not much higher off the water when casting.
I would like to see a boat with one side tank that way it would still free up some floor space. Balance might be an issue though... |
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| The thin sides are awesome aren't they?  (forgetting the special name they gave the design) |
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| bshep, that is the boat I just bought to restore 2001 18' Tuffy Rampage magmum. Once I get done I was going to list the rebuild process and what I did to restore it. When I bought the boat it was in rough shape, now it is coming along. Once I get done here in a couple weeks I will post the rebuild, costs, and pictures.
The reason I bought this model is because what we are talking about here. It has big side tanks and a sponsored hull. I have fished 4 guys out of this boat and it is not a problem. We even had a trip with 5 guys, now that was tight and might have been illegal, but 3 guys standard. That is were those big side tanks come in. It is like a casting deck for the middle guy. Even with 4 guys on one side of the boat it does list that much because it is narrower. I'm not sold on the wider boat. I'm currently running a wide aluminium boat 98" while I like the extra room I find switching casting sides in back were I run the trolling motor from to be a pain. Also, because the boat get shallower as you move out to the sides it list more to the side than the narrower tuffy.
I'm in agreement with everybody as to the old interior, I like it. While I find it nice to sit next to your partner on the boat, on rough days with the wind and waves blowing back into the boat when everybody is sitting in the middle you stay dryer.
Here are the pictures of the Renegade I lost to some A holes trying to steel the motors off the boat. It was devastating.
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| bshep, that is the boat I just bought to restore 2001 18' Tuffy Rampage magmum. Once I get done I was going to list the rebuild process and what I did to restore it. When I bought the boat it was in rough shape, now it is coming along. Once I get done here in a couple weeks I will post the rebuild, costs, and pictures.
The reason I bought this model is because what we are talking about here. It has big side tanks and a sponsored hull. I have fished 4 guys out of this boat and it is not a problem. We even had a trip with 5 guys, now that was tight and might have been illegal, but 3 guys standard. That is were those big side tanks come in. It is like a casting deck for the middle guy. Even with 4 guys on one side of the boat it does list that much because it is narrower. I'm not sold on the wider boat. I'm currently running a wide aluminium boat 98" while I like the extra room I find switching casting sides in back were I run the trolling motor from to be a pain. Also, because the boat get shallower as you move out to the sides it list more to the side than the narrower tuffy.
I'm in agreement with everybody as to the old interior, I like it. While I find it nice to sit next to your partner on the boat, on rough days with the wind and waves blowing back into the boat when everybody is sitting in the middle you stay dryer.
Here are the pictures of the Renegade I lost to some A holes trying to steel the motors off the boat. It was devastating.
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Location: Green Bay, Titletown, WI | WOW, trashed a nice truck too! How did they manage to set it ablaze? |
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