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| I spoke with Mr. Durst and Mr. Richardson via PMs and ended up having it suggested to pose this question in here. For the forum nazis, I did search, but could not find exactly what I was looking for.
The question is: As someone completely new to the bait building/painting process, what is needed to get started?
My goal is to make and paint my own crankbaits. I have a basement space which I am gradually turning into my man cave/ fishing mad science lab. The question is where to start?
As an aside, I've always found it helpful if there is some sort of "starter" guide for topics like this, but I couldn't find one in here, which is why I made this thread. |
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| Hey Brad, I hope I didn’t put you off by suggesting you ask here. It’s just that I build baits a bit differently than most and there are many on here way better at building baits conventionally than me. My shop tools mostly involve keyboard and a mouse. I do have a disc sander, band saw, drill press, small air compressor, airbrushes, and a spray booth. I’d say you’re going to need most of that.
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| I wasn't offended at all |
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Location: Money, PA | To do it right, you will need:
-Ventilation
-Regulated Air pressure source
-A booth set up so you can hang baits with lighting
-A quality airbrush...some good ones are Badger, Passche, Iwata
-Paints - Createx is most common, but the are others out there
-Some go the route of solvent based paints, but your set up will need to be more extensive in order to have a safe breathing environment
-A bench space for finishing your lures and putting them together.
-A determination of what kind of clear coating you go with...Etex, Diamond II, Nu Lustre, EX-74, Clear lacquer, acrylic lacquer etc.
-If you go with the resin coatings, I recommend a turning apparatus which allows for your coating to adhere and dry evenly.
Welcome to bait building 101.....GOOD LUCK!
Edited by ShutUpNFish 2/21/2013 11:50 AM
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| So some questions on ventilation. I've been doing some reaseach on that, and for what I want to do, which will be basically baits for myself, I figured I would be ok with a hobby type spray booth. The question I have is can I get away with venting that to the outdoors via an egress? Obviously I'd need the tube to run up the egress to truly get outside, but is such a set up viable?
I figured that since I'm in a true basement, I'll probably also need some form of mask as well as some kind of fan to draw the fumes out. Again with the fan, is it reasonable to expect to vent out the egress?
One last question, where I plan to set up also houses the house water heater. Is there risk of the pilot light igniting paint fumes? If yes, what should I avoid using? |
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| I’d recommend learning with the water based paints, someday, probably not too soon, but the solvent based paints will be phased out due to the tree huggers. Most of the hobby booths have a 4” dryer hose attachment. Most basements have a sliding window well window. Get an outside dryer vent kit and mount it into a sheet of plexiglass that fits into the window opening when you slide it open a bit. The thin plexiglass will flex then fit in the grooves of the window frame and seal off pretty nicely. Have your booth near the window, if you can’t, drill a hole through your house and put in a duct just like your dryer.
My water heater is in my mancave and I haven’t blown up – yet
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| I use createx paints ad just use a cardboard box. And wear a dust mask( saves on the funky colored snot. Nothing extensive needed |
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Location: Pigeon Forge TN. | Brad,
I didn't mean to sound like I was putting you off somewhere either.. I thought you were only asking about how to use the plastic and stuff like that. Since I don't make baits, I had suggested you talk with Mike as I know him and he does his own and thought he could help you a lot. When it comes to painting, That is a whole different story and I can help you out there. It is good to post like you did because you will find out all the varieties of producing your own. This is the right place for that kind of info. The guys here are very very helpful to newbies like we all were at one time.
Paint wise, what Mike said about solvent based paint going the way of the wind one day is true. It has been talked about now for several years. I personally will miss it because of the numbers of baits that I can paint in a day..
I use all solvent based lacquer. I started out in my basement then had a shop and now the way I cut back, I paint out of my garage.
When you make a fan as people will suggest different ways here to do it. One thing to make sure and be safe is to make sure the one you make or buy has the motor mounted on the outside of the booth and not enclosed with the fan such as a floor fan. The build up collecting in the motor of an internal fan can cause a fire.
I vented out my basement window. I do the same in my garage. I use a table mounted Pasche booth with a 12 inch exhaust outlet and direct it straight to the window. I don't have fumes or anything like that to worry about as it goes out through the filter and and exhaust vent.
I would recommend an exhaust booth no matter what type of based paint you decide to use.
As long as it comes to painting, please feel free to ask for more info when you need it. For water based, other guys here can be of great help to you.
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Location: Glen Ellyn Il | HELLO Brad and welcome
I am a beginner, I have been reading for about 4 years and building about 1.5 years, here are things that you need
Band saw, I purchased a Sears works great
Router not super necessary, Home Depot works good
Sander helpful not necessary
Dremel tool very helpful
drill press
Air compressor, I purchased the Iwata very quite
Iwata airbrush, get a decent one, one all you need
Forstner drill bits Home Depot has some cheap, they work fine for a hobbiest 1/4,3/8, 1/2
Small drill bits
Small hand tools like pliers, screwdrivers, center puncher, split ring pliers, small metal ruler, center line scriber, small square
For Painting Use water based paints Createx, Life Tone colors from Wasco
For priming use ratle can white primer, for cealing of wood use Sherwin Williams sanding sealer or Minn Waks Devcon 2 ton also works great
When I prime my baits I go in the garage and spray in to a big cardboard box, move the cars outside
For clear coating I use Envirotex lite find it Hobby Lobby and Menard, you can also use Devcon 2 ton 30 minute epoxy use a drop or two of Acetone or D. A.to thin it, There is some new stuff called Solarez for clear coating is cured by sunlight UV it cures rock hard in about 5 minutes, lots of guys using it on Tackle Underground Site, this way you will not need a turner to dry your baits. Bait accesories Eyes, Screw eyes, cup washers,
Wood i find most of my stuff at Home Depot, I also use Azex PVC Deck board from Lowe, I love this stuff, it is strong and need not to be cealed. I am also on Tackle underground, there is a wealth of information and tutorials on painting and building baits, it is a great site, not many muskie guys there but very helpful. I would not try to purchase all this stuff at one time, let the type of bait you are building kind of tell you what you need, stuff will accumulate fairly fast
Hopefully this helps
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Location: Almost Heaven | Just a thought, I would start picking up some blanks and paint them while you are getting the hang of making them. Then you can paint your own baits and get addicted . The guys on here can tell you all the stuff you need to get er" done and they do know. Some guys on here are pure artists and i am a freelance guy. I mix as i go and i don't write anything down. If i screw up i mix some more. What i am saying it is up to you on what and how you want to paint and build. I paint for the fish and it is a neat hobby. I love to look at the baits that all of these guys paint and build and my wife and have looked at hundreds of them. My respect for the guys on this site is at the utmost highest in my book, Amen |
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Lots of good advice here. Another option is to go goop, meaning following the suggestions by Larry Dahlberg and using silicone molds and resins for your lures. I have made lures with all of the various techniques, but have found this method to be the easiest way of consistently reproducing a lure. Go to makelure.com and view some of his tutorial videos for an idea of how it is done. Resin lures are very durable, waterproof and don't swell, like wood. Lots of guys enjoy working with wood, but this method works best for me.
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Location: Madison, WI | Brad
First
Welcome to the madness....no turning back now!
You have all the info you need in the above posts, this forum has some of the most helpful and talented builders you will find anywhere. My 2 cents, as far as paint booths, I use only water based paints with a hobby booth I bought for $400 with the filters you won't need to vent it at all, no smell everything is pulled into the filters (3of them) with a fairly strong downdraft fan. Regardless of if you are painting or cutting wood use a quality respirator, that goes for epoxy as well. You only have one set of lungs and it is not restricting once you get used to it.
Start SLOW, take your time and enjoy the process, a block of wood to a finished product is more that 20 steps for me. Get to know how your target baits work.....a pretty bait is just that, I've caught fish testing my primed prototypes. I've been building for about 4 years and I am still a newbe by a long shot. A great deal to learn with wood types, weighting, lip angles, and how they all effect action.
Enjoy the madness and good luck.
MS
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| If you are doing any wire forming for topwaters, bucktails, or wire forms, these pliers I found work the best. http://www.barlowstackle.com/German-Round-Nose-Nesting-Pliers-P1025.aspx
Even though I had some pride in my servo hands, it just wasn’t cutting the mustard so I built this wire forming peg board last weekend. I should have made this a couple months ago.
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| Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm a "look before I leap" kind of guy and all of this really helps.
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