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Location: North Central IL USA | esox911 - 6/26/2012 7:13 PM
I have to take my vacation when I am able to--don't have a job where I can pick up and leave anytime I want to. We go when job says we can take off---So myself and my kids fish when we can--I don't care about the surface temps--jsut try and do the RIGHT THING as afar as water releasing and getting them back when we get 1. Sorry if this offends some but thats the way it goes.
Totally understandable. You wait all year for your fishing vacation - can't just blow it off because it's hot out and hope it's better weather the following year. |
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Location: Lino Lakes, MN | Homer - 6/26/2012 1:46 PM
Fishing in general is selfish and the better fisherman you are the more harm you are inflecting on the fish. We all work hard to hook as many as we can. H
Very true. Luckily, I'm not that great of a fisherman so most of the fish in the lake are pretty safe when I'm in the vicinity. I'm all for doing anything and everything to be easy on fish, but sometimes I think we lose sight of the fact that we're throwing massive lures with razor sharp hooks and trying to drive them into their mouths as hard as we can. As I said, I'm a huge proponent of doing everything I can to be easy on fish, including staying off the water when the water is really warm, but to be honest, and I might get roasted for this, if the only thing I cared about was keeping muskies alive, I wouldn't be out on a boat fishing for them because I know that no matter how hard I try, my actions as a muskie fisherman will 100% lead to the death of some fish no matter how hard I try.
I used to get upset and want to yell at people, but nowadays I spend that energy trying to politely educate people if I see something while out on the water. Most people are very receptive as long as you don't get up on the soap box and start preaching with an attitude. When I first started, I had no clue about the extra harm I could cause fishing in high water temps...it was actually someone on this board that mentioned it to me while out on the lake and directed me to MuskieFIRST and told me to check it out for some further tips on releasing fish, etc. FWIW, I haven't read the entire thread and this isn't directed at any single person, its more something that I've been pondering a lot this season and this seemed like a good spot to post about it. |
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Location: Elko - Lake Vermilion | Homer - 6/26/2012 1:46 PM
Fishing in general is selfish and the better fisherman you are the more harm you are inflecting on the fish. We all work hard to hook as many as we can. H
Homer,... With all due respect,... I really hope your just screwing around.
Ever hear of PETA? Because with that dribble, Your blowing their Horn.
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Location: minocqua, wi. | Homer ... you're bobber's down |
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| jonnysled - 6/27/2012 6:38 AM
Homer ... you're bobber's down
I don't think he is fishing, the point makes sense. Not sure what Peta has to do with it. Fishing is not good for the fish, but that is just a bi-product of the fun. We fish because it is fun. BR |
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| Ja Rule - 6/26/2012 5:52 PM
I didn't say it was time at all. Just saying the premise of not fishing muskies once it gets too hot because of extra stress and harm is a good one . I'm no biologist so I can't say what that exact temp is. To me its not only when the surface temp hits the 80's but when temps 5-10feet down and more are in the high 70's and 80's. I wasn't calling anyone specific selfish just saying the "I'll fish them when I want, nobodies gonna tell me I cant fish for them" attitude is selfish.
I can respect that. Thank you for clarifying your post. |
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Location: oswego, il | Fishing is fun? I do it to get totally aggravated. |
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| vegas492 - 6/27/2012 9:20 AM
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I can respect that. Thank you for clarifying your post.
No problem, my first post should have been worded better. I actually agree with most everything you've said |
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Location: wild rose, wi | sometimes I can search this site and find a lot of useful information. I'd be the first to admit that I have a lot to learn about musky fishing, but when some self-rightsious arragant a-hole starts ranting about other sportsmen, I'm sorry, but I take it as a direct confrontation. Our job is to help others learn the proper ethics and to instill a strong appreciation of how to be a conservator of all of our resources. SO lets not bad rap the idiots out there, cause we all could use a little more education ourselves. I learn a little bit more every time I get into my boat. |
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| ToddM - 6/27/2012 10:01 AM
Fishing is fun? I do it to get totally aggravated
I'm sayin. There's no fun in this. |
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| When is sticking multiple 7/0 treble hooks good for a musky? If we were that concerned about them we wouldn't try to hook one ever. We need to take precautions to try to allow them to survive as much as possible but if one dies it's not the end of the World, they are a renewable resource after all. |
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| Wait, can some one please answer me this question...
Is 79.9 degree water temp the max I can fish to ensure the fish will not die? That means play it out to full exhaustion and I will be safe of not having the fish die?
But when the water temp reaches 80 degrees, it is time to put the boat on the trailer because all the fish will die even if i respectfully play the fish and unhook at the side of the boat with no net, water release, not taking the fish from the water at all. |
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| Here's my rule of thumb, and it isn't water temperature.
I'm on Pewaukee Lake and usually have a lot of gills hanging around the pier/launch. When the gills have left the shallows, that is when I stop fishing the muskies. Gills come back in, time to go fishing again.
But that is just my own personal way of judging when to fish. In no way do I speak for anyone else.
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Location: So. Illinois | anzomcik - 6/27/2012 6:32 PM
Wait, can some one please answer me this question...
Is 79.9 degree water temp the max I can fish to ensure the fish will not die? That means play it out to full exhaustion and I will be safe of not having the fish die?
But when the water temp reaches 80 degrees, it is time to put the boat on the trailer because all the fish will die even if i respectfully play the fish and unhook at the side of the boat with no net, water release, not taking the fish from the water at all.
I would never recommend under any circumstances that you play a fish to full exhuastion. ONly time I've seen this happen is when folks use undersized gear. Safely play the fish to the net, then take the time necessary to handle the fish correctly and be mindful not to hurt yoruself. |
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| if they are water released without pics there is no problem.the major problem is the guides and the uneducated guys.concern the guides they need to work to put food on the table,so i guess sometimes musky health is not so important |
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| How many folks will step up and say they caught and killed a fish due to temps. C'mon, now, step up, in the name of facts.
I bet most of you have had little problem with CPR in the summer. 1,000 summer stories of a no-problem freed fish for every one killed by trauma due to stress/heat/whatever. And the one killed will prob be one dragged a half mile by a charter boat with a huge trolling spread, not joe blow fishing the thermocline in some inland lake. |
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Location: Wisconsin | Ranger - 6/30/2012 11:00 PM
How many folks will step up and say they caught and killed a fish due to temps. C'mon, now, step up, in the name of facts.
I bet most of you have had little problem with CPR in the summer. 1,000 summer stories of a no-problem freed fish for every one killed by trauma due to stress/heat/whatever. And the one killed will prob be one dragged a half mile by a charter boat with a huge trolling spread, not joe blow fishing the thermocline in some inland lake.
It has been a number of years, but I have, without a doubt, killed a muskie due to a long poor release when water temps were high. Back then I did not have hook cutters, a really long needle nose pliers, and the huge nets simply did not exist.
Will it be the last one that I kill? probably not, but most of them now days don't even leave the water |
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Well I have to say most of the fish that wash up on shore or you see floating up in my neck of the woods are during mid july to early aug.
Make what conclusions you want to out of that. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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| Guest - 7/1/2012 10:39 AM
Well I have to say most of the fish that wash up on shore or you see floating up in my neck of the woods are during mid july to early aug.
Make what conclusions you want to out of that. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
JS
That's vacation time, John. It's tourist season. That's when you have the greatest number of die hard muskie anglers out there on the water, the greatest number of weekend warriors, and the greatest number of incidental catches by folks who don't even have a net or a pair of pliers.
I'm not saying that they don't recover as easily or as often from being caught in 80 degree surface temps, but you can't ignore the fact that 90% of the fishing pressure takes place between Memorial Day and Labor Day. I've never seen a muskie floating in November. Is it because they all released healthy, or because there's nobody out there fishing anymore? |
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Location: Minnesota. | ToddM - 6/27/2012 10:01 AM
Fishing is fun? I do it to get totally aggravated.
Gotta love a lil' humor.....Thanx. *G*
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