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Location: Contrarian Island | Mullhead...that mentality will cost you fish in the long run... both can and do catch 54" inchers the key is to figure out and use what they want that minute of that day....imo. |
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| Mullhead - 6/15/2012 10:53 AM
Mullhead - 6/14/2012 11:26 PM
Small baits are for Bass. Leave those at home.
ulbian - 6/15/2012 8:28 AM
Ken O'Brien disagrees.
Anyone can a catch big musky once. The key is being a repeat that success. Wonder which lure has caught more 54" fish? Pounder Dawg or a MX6 Muskie Train. I'll throw the pounder.
Forgive me for asking but who is ken o'brien? Guess I'm just a moron. |
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | Like I said BIG EGO = BIG BAITS LOL LOL LOL |
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| PIKEMASTER - 6/15/2012 11:12 AM
Like I said BIG EGO = BIG BAITS LOL LOL LOL
Then fish hard, stay thirsty, be humble, throw cute little lures! There may be a pike first, I'm not sure......never searched it. |
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Location: VA | Fished that river for years for smallies. Only can think of a handful of over 40" on bass gear. Cranks Buzzbaits Spinnerbaits Jerkbaits etc. We have one river in my area to fish. Yes, I throw 6" lokes and Double 8's spinners. But I catch a lot more and bigger fish on Double 10's 12's and large swimbaits. For me me its Quality over Quantity. Same as the Bass game. You want to catch 20 dinks or 5 that weigh 25lbs.
Pike Master its not EGO. Its convenience in the lures I choose to throw. To each his own.
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Location: Latitude 41.3016 Longitude 88.6160 | There is a time to throw BIG BAITS and there is a time to downsize, don't let your ego stop you from casting small baits. BIG BAITS will not always catch BIG FISH. |
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Location: VA | Understand that. But all on my fish over 50" have come off of 10"s, 12"s, Pounders and Gliders over 10". We have a good summer nite bite on 6" muskellunches stalkers , smaller type cranks and 1oz jigs. Several fish in a night but very few over 45".
Back to topic its never to soon to throw large baits. IMO.
Convenience is key in any type of fishing.
Tight Lines
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Location: Contrarian Island | mullhead, what if you could catch 10 25 lbers by actually using your brain and figuring out the times they aren't hitting pounders you might just be able to get them to hit something else....? ....hmmmm ever think of that...????? yah probably not. |
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Location: VA | Bnelson
 Fishing in Virginia is a little different than up north we have different patterns. We don't freeze up and we don't have a season. Open water year round. Lots of weeds very shallow clear water and current. We have boated 10 over 25 lbs this year. Most of which came off of 10" jakes 10" gliders 10"or 14" tubes and double 10"s. Anyways I do throw small lures and produce fish off of them. OOo.. and I haven't caught a musky on a pounder since March but I used my brain and caught it on another large lure. Never to early to throw large lures as the man was asking.
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| BNelson - 6/15/2012 11:45 AM
mullhead, what if you could catch 10 25 lbers by actually using your brain and figuring out the times they aren't hitting pounders you might just be able to get them to hit something else....? ....hmmmm ever think of that...????? yah probably not.
Bnelson, you sir, are an idiot. I am not a coward and don't need to log off to say it. You miss the entire point and always needlessly run your mouth. What does throwing small lures have to do with using your brain??? Any idiot, can throw lures big or small. Why would you brag or comment against a man's theory that he, personally, has done overall better on larger lures? I have never caught a 25lb fish and wandered if it would have hit something else. You make no sense, at least to me. I don't care, and I'm certain Mullhead doesn't either~ what you throw. But definitely use all your brain power to think what you're last fish may have bit, instead of what your next fish will bite. Gooday sir! |
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Location: APPLETON, WI | 2 lb. Dawgs... Mepps #5's... throw what you want. I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer. |
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| PSYS - 6/15/2012 12:29 PM
2 lb. Dawgs... Mepps #5's... throw what you want. I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer.
Exactly. Well said. |
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| I just fished my sixth musky tournament this year without cashing a check. While you could say (maybe should say) I don't know what size bait to throw.......Well, I clearly can't be accused of having an ego!!! Woe is me...woe is me... |
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| BNelson - 6/15/2012 11:45 AM
mullhead, what if you could catch 10 25 lbers by actually using your brain and figuring out the times they aren't hitting pounders you might just be able to get them to hit something else....? ....hmmmm ever think of that...????? yah probably not.
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Location: Madison, WI | "Forgive me for asking but who is ken o'brien? Guess I'm just a moron."... newmuskyz
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Ken Obrien is the guy who caught a musky reported to be 65 lbs (the Canadian record), back in 1988 or 89, somewhere around there.
If memory serves me, he was trolling for walleye with a size 9 rapala, and caught the accidental musky. I believe it was Georgian Bay area IIRC.
"Jackpot" John Schroeder
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Location: Madison, WI | Here's a pic... (if this works)
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Location: Muskegon Michigan | Very interesting topic. One I have taken some time to actually run experiments. I have tested big versus small and different profiles and have concluded that there are regions where big baits dont do very well. Other areas where certain profiles or shapes dont do real well. Lake Hudson In Lower Michigan just doesnt give up fish to big baits. If you dont believe me go there throw your pounders and two pounders and double tens till you are blue in the face. You wont get bit .No one does. This lake is kind of strange as little Manns MINUS 1'S , 205 CRANES , 305 cranes and small bucktails with small profiles all put fish in the boats. It has a good trolling bite but again nothing over 6 inches until late fall when 9 and 10 inch lures will get bit. The casting bite never seems to give up any big bait fish. I attribute this to very small forage through out the lake. I got 48 inch fatty there last Saturday on a 6 inch Stubby Slasher. I casted big lures all day with nothing ,not even a follow. Put on the 6 inch jointed crank and 15 minutes later a 48 inch fish.
Lake Hudson however is not Lake of the Woods. I think Doug Johnson nailed it when he said LOW fish always like big baits. Many southern lakes are small Shad based and tend to be more of a small bait bite. My lures sales reflect this. I see lots of little shads in 4 and 5 inch going to Ohio and Indiana while 10 to 15 inch cranks seem to go to Canada and Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan.
So what I think is there are some lakes where small baits are the ticket most of the time. There are some lakes where most anything will work. There are some lakes where it seems that Big Baits get all the big fish. Even Lake St. Clair has shown me a tendency to boat bigger fish on baits 6 inches and up versus 6 inches and down. Look at the Muskies inc Mens masters leader right now. He has 92 fish and a 34 inch average. He is using lots of Tuff Shads and other smaller baits. The numbers would go down and fish size would go up if he increased his lure size just a couple of inches as we did in 2006 averaging only three fish per day but 41 inch average size. Troll double tens out there in July and you wont catch many small fish at all. Nothing but hogs. But even there it seems that no one starts using say Nils masters in 10 inch until Fall. I would say it depends on the water you are on. Mike
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Location: Apollo, PA | I agree with Kingfisher Mike.
hahahahha that was easy
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Location: neenah, wisconsin | all i know is i wish i would have never given matt(newmuskyz) and robert(mullhead) my email or cell phone because i get sick of all the big fish picks they send me it makes me sick and now im to the point of jealousy because they catch alot of really nice fish and they all come on big baits exclusively ,..i love throwing big baits all year round over suspended water or deep edges and if it costs me fish so be it but its something i really enjoy doing and i remember a couple years ago i sold tim shmitz a boat load of 2lb bulldogs and in our discussion he told me he starts the season with a 14" jake and grows from there i wonder how many minnesota monsters hes caught ...my point is if ya have a big set of nads and can handle throwing the big stuff give it a try hell i give it a few hours then shut er down to something smaller like shadzilla for a while...but i dont think theres a bad time to try...i love big baits and wish i didnt because i would save alot of money buying little stuff..that said ive caught my share trolling little 5" bakers also ....do what ya enjoy and theres no guideline to being the greatest fishernman especially on mf we already know mr. nelson where u r on the depth charts....listening to people belittle others especially great guys who wanna help just gets old..hell when i started my box was a few lil eagles,buchertail 700 mogombo,6 and 7"cranes shallow and deep,
now i rarely throw anything that small the sport has grown and so should the mind to possibilities ..do what ya enjoy doing ....bushy
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Location: Lake Country, Wisconsin | Some of the guys in the back of my boat last year on LOTW who were relegated to throwing smaller baits due to lack of equipment probably might have an opinion or two about LOTW Muskies ALWAYS liking big baits....There is no such thing as always and never.
there are quite a few baits that we now consider to be "small" that 10 years ago or so were staples and considered normal size baits...They caught fish back then and there's some days here and there where they will catch more fish now. Every year/day/spot is a different animal
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